Dreamer

I have two brand new Drainmaster replacement valves for sale if anyone is interested.

6 hours ago, Wylie_Tunes said:

@Dreamer

Yes, pod displacement does impact mid-bass. So the larger pod of the 8.8 will make a noticeable difference in a static environment. However, as the distance from the pod increases and there are more sounds to compete with, this difference may diminish a little. 

Four 8" Icon or 8.8 would equivalent to the four 8" R1 in the coverfire in terms of service area and power handling. The advantage could be having the ability to space the 4 pods, aiming of the pods, and choosing your own amp power v's the factory amp option.   

Thanks for the info. Are there brackets on the market to fit the JL 8.8 speakers on a dropzone tower?

On 10/9/2020 at 10:44 AM, Wylie_Tunes said:

Static would not a speaker issue, but simply what the speaker is reproducing. 

The Wet Sounds Warrior tower system is basically 2 pair of Rev-10 HLCD for the rider. For the passengers, there is a downfiring 8" coaxial in each tower pod. 

The Roswell Coverfire looks to be two rear firing R1 8" coaxials, with one angled down a little toward the cabin, then a R1 6.5" coaxial firing forward, p/pod. 

From a riders perspective; Surface area alone, the Warrior tower system is going to be the louder of the two systems, as well as likely produce more mid-bass.  Now, a coaxial can be more pleasing close up, in terms of sound quality, to some, then an HLCD. But the larger mid-bass driver of a Rev-10 does really well to add balance, IMO.  

For passengers, I do not see the forward firing 6.5 in the cover fire being very effective. The 8" in the Warrior is going to contribute quite a lot to the captain and copilot/observer seating, bow seating and those directly under the pods. 

So would four Icon8 or JL Audio 8.8 tower speakers get more sound to the surfer?

On 10/9/2020 at 4:56 PM, Wylie_Tunes said:

Sure, theres always a place for a coaxial. Perfect for surf and party cove listening. An HLCD certainly has the potential to be louder then a coaxial. I dont believe the drivers in the Warrior pods are new. They should be the same Rev-10 sold on the consumer level, just in a custom OEM pod for Centurion. The 8" down fire coaxial is likely the Revo-8 in-boat.  

How would the JL Audio 8.8 tower speakers compare to the Icon8? Does the larger case of the JL give it a better sound?

39 minutes ago, Dreamer said:

I have a garage question for the Ri245. The website has it over 30’ long with the trailer tongue folded. My SV244 Enzo measures about 27’-6” with the tongue folded. How is it that that the same size boat is 2’-6” longer? I could see the platform adding 6-8”.

Wait, sorry I read the wrong dimensions, it’s 28’7” no platform tongue swung.

I have a garage question for the Ri245. The website has it over 30’ long with the trailer tongue folded. My SV244 Enzo measures about 27’-6” with the tongue folded. How is it that that the same size boat is 2’-6” longer? I could see the platform adding 6-8”.

9 hours ago, Troy. R said:

Thanks Dreamer.
I started looking into it myself after asking the question. That's about what I came up with as well.
Are you ordering an Ri245 for sure or just kicking around the idea?
My son and I crawled through a 245 and 265 at the local dealer in Mesa, AZ. Both are spectacular boats! I told my son, "We're going to have to put the ZS for sale and I'm going to have to start working some overtime! haha!"

I want to crawl through one then do a demo wakesurf before I decide. Supposedly the first one will arrive in British Columbia, Canada in a week or two.

I looked up some torque graphs and the 6.0 has around 370 ft-lbs at 3000rpm and the 6.2 is over 400@3000rpm. I’d upgrade if I purchase one.

32 minutes ago, Troy. R said:

Out of curiosity, what is the difference between the 6.0L HO 450 and the H6?

On the PCM website it says it’s basically the next generation of their marine engine. Up from 6.0L to 6.2L and from 450 ft-lbs of torque to 465. It’s also a direct injected engine which improves efficiency.

Maybe the H6 6.2L plus a 16x15 prop will be more efficient then a 6L 450 with a 16x13. Im thinking with the additional low end torque you wouldn’t need to rev the engine as high.

Since we are discussing the 245 I have a question about the engine of choice. We’re at sea level and only wakesurf so is the 450 enough or is it worth it to get the H6 engine? Also, how efficient is the 6.2L H6 compared to the 6.0L 450?

Are the Wetsound Icon8 speakers relevant anymore? With have four on our Enzo tower and the sound for the people in the boat is outstanding. Would these new 10” HCLD speakers blow their eardrums out?

On the 2014 put the cats at 0 for goofy and at 100 for regular side surfing.

A great goofy wake on the SV230 is very difficult. You need the wakeplate down all the way to clean the wake up but that forces the rear of the boat defeating the purpose of ballast so it needs even more.

If you’re mainly riding the goofy side you need to find a reverse rotation transmission and propeller.

Centurion sells a replacement kit for the Valterra valves. Has anyone used this kit? Were all the parts like the longer hoses and clamps included?

We never used a suck gate on our SV230 but if I did I think I’d fill both rear lockers, up the side seats and under the bow seat, to the max with fat sacs. You probably only need a little wakeplate down to clean up the wake. 11.2 mph is a good place to start.

We listed our boat. Get about 1100#’s in the rear locker, 600#’s under the port side seat and a 400# sac pushed as far forward under the seat on the driver side. 11.2 mph for a softer wake, 11.5 for some serious vert! 
 

If you have a large crew you don’t require this much weight. We were always just a small crew.

Note to above we run at 11.2mph.

Speaking of efficiency, listed over with less ballast it uses 26 litres of fuel per engine hour. The full load suck gate surf uses 35 litres per engine hour.

Im using the 1617 prop on our 2014 SV244. It has the pcm409 engine. It is not a ram fill boat though. Listed with 2700#’s of ballast, the CATS fully cranked plus a couple lightweight passengers it runs around 3300rpms. We are at sea level.

Using our suck gate and all 4100#’s of ballast plus 400#’s of lead it settles in around 3600rpm.
 

the boat came with the 1847 prop and it was fine unless we had a large crew and used the suck gate so we upgraded the prop using the prop selector on the Acme website.

Yes, it was sporty. I went to a 5 blade prop.

cheers

You will need to upgrade the ballast system for a good wake. Enzo sacs plus a little lead is the norm. Depending on what propeller is on the boat and your elevation you may require to upgrade that as well.

Nice looking boat. The main lounge of the SV233 is about the same size as an older SV240 so a good choice. Does it have the Pro ballast bags under the side seats? What about a bow sac? Going to need extra lead if you want to list it for a great goofy wake. 
 

also, does it have the CATS articulating fin? A must have for listing to wakesurf.

The A plate is used when you list the boat, especially for the goofy side you need the plate down to clean up the wake. With a suck gate on the side the A plate is not required. I haven’t surfed an Enzo with a retrofitted Surf system so I can’t comment on how much better the wake is but you can get a pretty amazing wake with the suck gate and it’s a few thousand dollars less.

The interior of the SV230 isn’t that much larger than an Avalanche. The bow area is huge on the 230 though but we never sat up there. An SV233 would be a great choice. The interior lounge area is the size of the SV240 with a smaller bow area. 

FYI, one of the reasons we didn't use the bow area much was the wake is better without ballast up front.

Enzo all the way. Bigger is always better. Our first centurion was an 07 SV230 and it was great boat. It did need a ballast upgrade but every boat does. Our current boat is a 2014 SV244. The extra interior room is awesome when we have friends on board. 

I’d go for the SV240 if those are your choices. Goofy wake is a bit finicky when you list the boat to surf but if you purchase a suck gate it is substantially better. 

Got out on the SL450 yesterday and I have to say the wakesurf wave was a bit of a disappointment. It was long and clean but for the amount of weight we put in the boat it just didn’t have the kind of push my SV244 has. Next up is the Ri237!