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  1. Hey Byerman.. I completely hear you and am so empathetic when reading your post. That sounds nearly identical to what I've been through this past year-- right down to losing ALL confidence in dragging the thing clear to Lake Powell and having it fail. TWO failed trips last summer (electrical failure - wouldn't start, and then pulley's failing the next week) and then the shaft drilling a hole in the gas tank a few weeks ago on our first day there (actually ALL incidents were the first day every time :-/ ).. That said, I'm not really sure what MY advice would be. As several others have pointed-out in this thread alone, all boats have issues and it's luck of the draw. I've also had several business associates and friends over the past few months reminding me of this very point. However, given so many of the "common" issues and compounded or 'severity' of the issues that we've had with Centurion, it simply HAS to be create a sense of bias and an argument AGAINST when considering a Centurion again. And, clearly, in the 3-4 years since your boat was built, the QC issues continue-- consistent or not, they're there. I've got two close friends with Nautiques and two with Malibu 23LSV's. One of the Nautiques (a 2018) had total engine failure on the second time out and had to have them replace the engine entirely. The others have all just had minor issues like throttle (by wire) linkage issues and various small hinge or interior problems. So I DO agree that all boats are just made with a different sense of QC than a car (given the fact that there are so many less moving parts that it's simply ironic). I also know of (not personally) a couple people with 2017 Ri257's like mine who've only had a couple of the issues I've had which were quickly resolved and they're completely happy since purchase. Also know of a guy with a new Mastercraft X46 who's had no issues since purchase last spring. I guess it really boils down to which roulette table you wanna roll your dice on. As I said early-on (a few weeks ago) in this thread, the lay-out, size, and functionality of the Ri257 has me hooked-enough that I'm gonna put my faith in this new '19 I ordered and hope I have a good experience moving forward. None of my buddies' boats really impress me (size, gas mileage, layout, or functionality) quite as much as mine has. However, another year (2017 & 2018) like I've had without even feeling confident in taking a group out for an entire day and I'll never utter the word Centurion again. Bottom line-- it's a toss up. Sorry about your experience. If it's been anything like mine, the expense of boat ownership didn't even come CLOSE to non-ownership.
  2. Hey H20- Just to clarify..you're not referring to the 8+ issues with my Ri being related to "a boat beginner"? To be discrete but make sure to be clear, been in this arena my entire life and, ironically, have 5 close friends with varying brands (a couple new malibus, a couple new Nautiques, a couple new Tige's, etc). While most have had varying small issues and adjustments, none have had even near what I've been through. There's a point at which you have to point at quality. Another interesting thing to note-- this past year I came across (2) acquaintenances who'd both ordered the same Ri257 out of the gate when they were released when I did. One of the two has had more than half of the same issues I experienced (minus the two major crippling issues). The other has only had his boat out a handful of times and had the stereo issues but nothing else. I guess it's just important to me that everyone is able to agree on the fact that all boats are going to have varying small failures and issues so that we're able to discuss the very reason for this thread / post. Everyone involved or who has witnessed our situation has been quite surprised and it has been quite the adventure. However, there have been several signs across multiple new Centurions since last year that I've been witness to and am aware of that they have some QC issues. To be vague with info I've become privy to (given my situation) but to make the point, even the factory has admitted to a few issues that I'm not certain are things that would happen with other brands in the arena. ..just wanted to make sure nothing was misconstrued or that anything we're discussing could be taken for a 'rookie mistake' in this thread. That said, it's hard to look elsewhere for a boat at this point, both, because I'm being given new life (with hopes of a better outcome) and because I've become so spoiled with the overall layout and functionality of the Ri--
  3. Hello Gents (and Ladies).. I wanted to post an update to the thread to let everyone know the result of the culmination of events that happened with the Ri257. We met with our dealer this past week after they asked for our patience for a week to discuss our boat situation with the Centurion factory. They let us know that the factory basically shut down for the better part of a day to discuss the QC issues with our boat which, of course, peaked with the fuel tank sliding back into the shaft (no bolts remained in the tank brackets) causing fuel to pour into the bilge (luckily NO fireworks took place). The factory and dealer assessed our experience since delivery last spring (2017) and granted us the privilege of ordering a comparable 2019 Ri257 and shipped a factory demo boat to the dealer for us to use for the remainder of this season. We were grateful for their willingness and the position they took on customer satisfaction. I suppose there are a couple of ways to look at the situation as we've definitely had some varying opinions on the way my situation should have been handled. Overall, I'm pleased with their willingness and offering to replace the boat. As I understand it, this is not something that is very common in the industry (as with a car). I can't speak to the reasons or severity with which the situation was weighted (Customer Service or Liability Concern) but I can say, overall, they're making it right and making sure we're happy with the product and hoping to make our boating experience better from here on out. As for new options spec'd (ordered), we decided to go with the new "Dropzone" tower. Otherwise, we chose the same fairly loaded spec as before- (higher end Roswell), gatorstep, all lighting, swimdeck ladder (new add). We did NOT opt for the new cover style that allows for the tower to be lowered and then covered for travel as we won't be needing to lower the tower for storage. As for the color, I'll post some pics of the new build when it arrives November ish to keep some follow-up suspense. That said, I wanted to thank everyone for the supportive / respectful opinions in all directions. Forums are great in helping to get a collective mind and voice on our common hobbies and it's been cool to see what everyone else likes and thinks of these boats. As for the dealer, given the situation, we definitely had times of frustration-- feeling a lack of true care or desire to help the customer. In the end, I understand their position and their need to be careful throughout the entire experience. I can say that they've always been extremely quick to repair any and every issue and to explain what happened and what was done to repair. They're a great dealer and I want to give kudos to them for making us feel comfortable and justified in our frustration and in helping make the re-order process pleasant and empathetic. -J
  4. @Carguy79ta- Your response is quite alarming because.. well I had no idea these issues were 'common'. I don't believe it's coincidence that we both have nearly all the same issues. When we first got our boat, we had it in 4 times for the amps overheating and shutting the stereo down. We finally took it to the best car stereo shop in Salt Lake and they put JL amps in that could handle higher ohm loads. They laughed at the design of the Roswell system-- they said those amps were WAY too underrated for the # of speakers it had, weren't a good amp for dissipating heat, and were mounted vertically in the worst possible compartment for heat trapping. A year later, we finally got word that Roswell redesigned the stereo system and admitted that the system wasn't design properly for the load. As for the heat sensor, PLEASE have the dealer inspect the exhaust manifold and ALL engine bolts! I know of two others (aside from myself) who had the exhaust bolts loose or all the way out. This is what causes the majority of those annoying sensor beeps. The sensors usually ARE NOT bad! They're telling you something. Our dealer ignored ours and kept replacing sensors until the exhaust manifold split apart and the engine burned the gasket to a crisp (and nearly us). I do agree with you, Texifornian, that the quality Centurion (in MY experience) isn't up to par with the price bracket. However, it's tough because the design of the boat is actually my favorite [now]. I liked two friends boats better at first (Nautique and Malibu 23LSV) but, after a year, I actually think ours is just a better layout and functionality overall. So.. pray for QC improvements at the factory.
  5. Hey I really appreciate the responses so far. I'm actually surprised by the thoughts and experiences shared and your opinions on what to do from here. As I said in the initial post, I'm not ignorant to the fact that ANY brand could have the same thing occur. After the first 3+ issues, we still felt that it was just a fluke. It's just these last few major issues that were so unbelievable that it got us to the point where we're feeling there had to have been some real neglect at with the QC at the factory in order for SO many bolts and pieces to not have been fastened properly and other installation failures (main power wires not crimped fully causing the boat to not start intermittently). To answer your question @Wheels, we definitely had our first servicing... ironically, it was performed when we brought the boat in for the pulley failure and I believe they were preoccupied with the issue at hand and failed to fully service and go through the tightening / true-ing up process fully. There's really no other explanation. Also, I have to disclose that we went several hours past / over our initial service because we'd had so many problems right out of the gate and had had the boat in to the dealer 3-4 times in the first month that we just assumed they would have looked at the hours and warned us that it was also time for our service.. But, when we were in for yet another issue, and far past the initial service recommendation, they called me and said "did you realize you were way past your first service?". This was just another frustration for me as I've been through so much just in the first few months that there was NO way in my mind that they would've let it go past that. To address the comments about the quality of the finish work and QC from some of you, I have to say that there were several fit & finish elements such as compartments / glove box / hinges etc that didn't either close fully or properly or screws that weren't screwed in straight and were sticking out of the floor, etc. I chose to look past these issues because of the overall design, build, and functionality of the Ri. But now I'm having a hard time not looking at that as a red flag and sign of what came later. Again, I'm definitely open to another Centurion and hopefully the powers at be are going to step-up and do the right thing as I'm not asking for the impossible.
  6. I wanted to get some opinions and possibly experience of others concerning my past year with an Ri257 (purchased June 2017 new from dealer). In general, I've really liked the layout and design of the boat. It wasn't hard to see, after only a short time, that the fit & finish wasn't quite up there with a couple other 'top brands'. However, in general, like the look, layout, driveability, wave, and other obvious traits of the Ri257. That said, this has been my experience. I'll just list the issues I've had here and keep it short and not offer my opinion at this point. It would really be great to hear what others on here would think and do at this point and what your experiences have been with YOUR Ri 237/257.. - Stereo - System not properly designed to handle the speaker output (too many speakers / ohm load issues). System would cut out until dealer paid for stereo shop to redesign amp connections - Pully wheel failure on serpentine belt-- belt came off while on the water. (Eventually heard it was a "common issue with pully bearings"). - Wouldn't start intermittently-- this eventually caused us to be stranded on the lake a far distance from marina. After months of troubleshooting (and me as the trial & error), found that main umbilical not crimped properly causing "arc'ing" and inability to start engine. [This one caused nearly an entire summer with low-confidence to go on the water and $ spent for nothing] - Sensor beeping constantly for (5+) boating sessions; dealer unable to figure it out-- even after replacing the sensor itself... -- Turned out to be exhaust temperature sensor alerting us for a reason! Exhaust manifold missing bolts from the factory. One year later, exhaust manifold came apart enough to burn through the manifold gasket and shutting the engine down (stranded on the lake again). And...The Last / Current Situation (August 2018)... - After spending another couple grand on AirBnB, fuel, food, and time off of work, after a few hours on the lake after repairing exhaust manifold gasket, started smelling strong fuel smell which only got stronger until it was obvious the entire bilge was filled with fuel. Long story short, fuel tank brackets had NO bolts in them from the factory(?) so the fuel tank (all 92 gallons of weight) slid back-- eventually making contact with the top of the drive shaft which drilled a hole through the tank = fuel pouring into the bottom of the boat. We made it back to the dock with the boat sputtering (most likely due to loss of fuel line pressure). We didn't realize how lucky we were. I'm sure the chances would be slim, but we were traveling on a bomb for 20 minutes or more to get to the dock. These have been the main issues (of course, coupled with several quality issues such as screws sticking-out, wires not properly tucked and in their proper channels along the trim, etc. The question I'm asking is, does anyone have an opinion on whether this would taint or skew your opinion and confidence in another Centurion boat? Has anyone else had these quality issues or is this just a "Friday Afternoon Build"? (I'll leave the result of my situation with the dealer out of this discussion for now in order to create an open response from others. Although, I will say that I feel I have been extremely patient, kind, and understanding throughout the entire adventure -- which I'm not sure I should have?) Thanks in advance for any (respectful / pragmatic) responses..
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