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I upgraded the engine because it was a $750 option. At that price, it's worth every penny. Resale value in the future will be more with a bigger engine. It's just a no brainer at only $750. When you say upgraded ballast, how many tanks do you have? I also got the lighting package which includes docking lights, under water light and onboard charger, which I need. We have long winters so the plug in charger is helpful to me. The docking lights as well because we are coming in later and later as m kids get older. When it gets dark, we can't see much coming into the marina. I can't see it being under 70k for the 2017. The price is a bit more because of the upgrades from 2016 which include the touchscreen. I didn't really skimp out. Like I said, I'm at about 75k at this point and I still need to talk to the dealer some more. I'll add weight eventually but I shouldn't HAVE to. It's my first surf boat and I'm sure it will be very surfable out of the box. The one who said the G23 was equal to the S238 was the owner of RCM. He had some video of his daughters surfing the s238 or something. Talk to him. I also called and spoke to RCM and the guy I spoke to said he surfed the s238 a bunch of times STOCK...

Thanks Avalentines! That makes me feel really good! Since the dealer is on my side in helping and does this for all who he sells to, I should hopefully cut that time in trial and error down. As for the 80k...It's actually 83k with my options, which is quite a bit. "Some" of the options I excluded were upgrading the trailer and the seadek flooring IN the boat. I have kids so the standard snap in rug that doesn't hold water AND can be shaken out and cleaned is best for me personally. The seadek can get dirty easy and then it's hard to clean without ruining the surface. Just not for me at this point in my life and I'm happy saving that money too! I have the FULLY upgraded ballast package. It's 6 tanks.(3 are hard tanks) The 83k is before the dealer works with you as well. On top of that Supreme has a promotion right now(check their website) that they kick 3500 off the price if you order before January 1st. They also throw in like another 1k in gear. I'll be getting 1-2 boards for free as well. It's a pretty sweet deal but you HAVE to put the order in before the 1st of the year!(I'm trying to seal the deal) With that said, the boat will come to around 75k, I think. I'm still working on it. Getting to 70k or under 70s on the S238 is probably impossible. I just can't see it. I'll keep updating. I can't thank you guys enough! Thanks again! Mike

Thanks Cwazy. That was what I was thinking. If that is really the case, I bet the dealer picks up that cost for me or at least gets supreme involved until the problem is solved. I feel good about it and I love the boat! The price point of these things is great. Yea, I'm missing some presets and some other gimics but I don't think those are worth spending 120k instead of 80k. I was upset about the presets at first. I mean, how much of a cost would it be to develop some additional software and have it on the boat? It's probably new for 2018 or 2019. they need to hold back so boat sales keep going. Can't give us everything all at once. That's business... But really, the preset is going to change if more people are n the boat and also based on conditions that day. How often is the same preset perfect every time you are out? With that said, I won't miss it. A few touches on the boat screen like my cell phone screen isn't going to be a deal breaker. I'd rather be on a boat than a cell phone any day! I WILL report back. Mike

Just an update... Met with the dealer today. He is very confident that it will surf great stick. He surfs these boats stock all the time. He said of course you can add and it would make a larger wave, similar to anything... When you are 17 and you drive, your radio works fine but you probably add more to it. makes sense... He is saying he will not leave me solo until I'm riding without the rope and comfortable. He has spent many days with some customers showing them how to set things up and others get it in a few hours but he said he is pretty much guaranteeing it. He even went as far as saying if it's not surfable out of the box he would buy the boat back. I'm going to go with it. I'm at this lake all the time and if he is this confident and is willing to ride with me, surf the wave and then hang until I am surfing it, then that's a super nice guy who is really standing behind what he is selling. I asked him a pooh ton of questions. I really pressed hard. He knows I would be really upset if he is wrong or lying and it would cause a ton of issues. He wouldn't put the marina name on the line if he wasn't confident. Lastly, I asked for a customer who I know Bought from him. He reached out and I spoke to the guy. He confirmed he never added ballast or any weight and he was surfing fine. I've seen him surf actually... He was shown how to set it all up by the same guy I'm buying from and he is set. That helped me a bit as well. Soooo, I guess I'm going to work on the cost a bit and seal the deal. I will be back here letting you all know how that goes. I truely appreciate the replies and I hope I can help you all out in the future. Any other info is welcomed. Thanks all! Mike

Gotcha. Makes sense. I'm about 200lb. Grew up surfing and snowboarding. Been boating for years and even wake boarding and knee boarding a ton of times. I would like a large sweet spot. Not a 1 foot range. That's going to bore me and I wouldn't personally call that worth 80k...I already have a 2013 boat that is awesome for my family. This boat is replacing it and the upgrade is to surf! If the dealer would have just told me all this from the beginning I wouldn't be so shocked. I'm ok adding as long as it's not taking up room on the boat. (seats or floor) Since he is very confident, it's bothering me more. I've mentioned it in 2 conversations now. I will update you guys tomorrow with how it went. Many thanks! Mike

Many thanks again. After reading the earlier replies I went ahead and started making some calls. I called race city Marine and the guy there told me he has surfed it stock with no problems at all. He did add that more weight makes it better but he has surfed it many times stock with 3 guys on the boat and it was fine. Again though, they are a dealer. I'm not calling him a liar. He was super nice and understood my viewpoint. So, I took it a step further. I called supreme and they had the local supreme rep call me back. I have to say, response time was sick. He called me within 15 minutes. Another real nice guy and seemed really honest. He said the spine plate for the 2017s fixed the out of the box issues with stock ballasts. He also added that the wave can get better with more weight. He said it was surfable right out of the box for sure but the upgraded weight would definitely increase it, however, it wasn't needed. I'd really love to find someone(so far I haven't) who has an S238 that is surfing and having a blast without any mods in weight or 10 people in the boat. I meet with my local dealer tomorrow and am excited but we really need to talk a bout the "what if" the boat simply has no push. Maybe they agree to cover the ballast upgrade which looked like $1000 when I went to wake shaper and checked out the S238 options... Anyone else with info, I'd love to hear from you before I spend this money on a SURF boat that is beautiful, but can't be surfed. I can get a TON of nice boats for this price that CAN'T be used to SURF. Thanks again! Mike

Thanks guys. To me, if I'm NOT ropeless, I'm not wakesurfing. It's pretty simple. I can't believe dealers sell boats based on lies. I was told me and my family of 4(wife and 2 kids) would be all I needed in the boat. I don't want to have to round bodies up just to surf on MY 80k boat. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow and it looks like i'll have some stipulations and maybe not do it. Why can't they make a boat that is ready out of the box? I don't need to have all that weight in th eboat when I'm not surfing. It's a waste. ..and I'm going to leave 500 lbs of lead on the dock and transfer it back and forth when I want to surf? haha...NO... Any other replies are appreciated. I'd love to hear anyone saying their 2017 S238(top of the line supreme) is working fine out of the showroom floor because I love the boat. Thanks!