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It’s not possible to upgrade the valves, just look for a 2022 or newer. At lower elevation the 6.0 HO will move that boat fine. If you ride with a big crew or run lead, or plan on going up in elevation Id go ZZ6, keep in mind the ZZ6 will be the more desirable mill and better for resale down the road. 2907 prop or similar will be necessary with the 6.0.

Did you ever get anywhere with this issue?

I came out of an 07 22v, the comparison in rough water ride isn’t even a comparison, night and day difference! In moderate chop or turning into my own waves pulling kids on tubes, the tower basically seemed like it was trying to rip apart from the boat and was very loud rattling, hard hitting as the hull just slapped into the waves, I’d cringe everytime. With the FI23 (I was supposed to get a 2022 ZS but it was delayed till fall, but same difference) turning back into my own waves pulling tubes, maybe 5% of the time it’s a harder hit, but we’re also talking waves probably 50% bigger. 2 ish ft chop is nearly unnoticed around 20mph, and the tower is rock solid and dead silent! I’d say the few times the FI hits a wave hard would be due to the pickle fork and the bottom sides of the hull being flat near the front, the S and RI lines probably slice through the same stuff effortlessly.

Supreme was really far behind on builds this year, so I’d imagine you’ll be able to find a late delivery 2022 or early 2023 where the original purchaser bought a centurion or backed out of their order all together. That is if you’re looking now and for new. Anyways, get out and try to demo both, let us know what you think of moomba if you do. Sounds like they have good fit and finish from what I’ve gathered.

Not sure what’s changed from my researching 1-2 years ago when I had decided on the ZS232. But for me, and this is just more of a general comparison to everything and why I was drawn in by FineLine, so sorry if I don’t answer your exact question. In order of importance was 1. Power plant: I wanted a PCM/GMC motor. Way too many problems with ford mills over the years in our work trucks, no way in hell that’s going in my boat. From what others have reported, the raptor motor/drivetrain is very loud. 2. Hull: Deep V and super deep hull, the ZS is a beast and nothing will touch it for rough water. (Besides of course centurions, but same same) 3. Style: Clearly this is only my opinion, but I love the looks of the ZS and just how everything’s laid out in it. All the other value class boats to me looked extremely cheap and very basic on the exterior, moomba was certainly the next in line for interior. Biggest complaint from me was the ZS helm, very basic and cheap feeling, fully functional but they need to step it up in that area. I’ll also add, centurion vinyl in the supreme A+! 4. Wave/Ballast: from reading, moomba and supra need 1000+ pounds of extra weight to even run with supreme/centurion. If you’re going to add that in a moomba, add some more to the supreme and it gets even better, but it’s not needed at all. For me, there was enough I didn’t like about everything else I didn’t even water test them, but if I was going to another brand moomba would be it for value class. Sorry that doesn’t help directly with the mojo comparison, just where I was at when narrowing in on the ZS.

Just curious if anyone knows the situation in the Supreme plant? Delays, production numbers, quality concerns being a brand new facility? My local dealers first 22 ZS was supposed to show up start of October, as of now it hasn’t even gone into production. The new vinyl samples are supposed to come in with the first boat, and I’d like to see the OTB pattern in person before deciding, so I’m waiting to crawl around that boat and obviously check out the new samples. His 22 Centurions are coming in already. Adding to this, I was given a May delivery date. Its a long ways away, but should I be worried at all of it not showing up until well into summer?

100 what service? There’s a 25 hour mandatory service, after that oil and impeller should be changed every 50 hours. If the impeller wasn’t changed close to 50 hours you likely have shards of impeller clogging up your cooler. Have you checked the fresh water strainer? That should be your first stop, it could also be leaking air in which will cause issues.

I’d say you need more weight, 300-400lbs of lead will be very noticeable. Not sure what ballast settings you’re at, but you could try dumping a bit from the bow. The shorter ZS and centurions pack more ballast, and tossing even just a few extra lbs at them really helps. I noticed a big difference from 2 adults to just 4 adults in my FI23.

At sea level you will be fine. I’d say about 3000ft and depending on regular crew size is the cut off for 409 in a 23ft boat. 2907 prop is a must! We put on the first 25 hours at 1200ft in our FI23 with 409 and it was great, loaded with 4 adults and 4 kids, 100% ballast and 50% bow bag, it didn’t struggle even a smidge. Back home at 3000ft, +300lbs of lead nearly all in the back and same 4 adults and 4 kids, the motor was a moderate bit louder, but still didn’t seem to struggle. All that said, in hindsight I should have just went 450, not that it’s needed, just because I run premium fuel anyways, and you can never have too much! I was just trying to stay closer on budget after bumping up to the centurion. Love the boat though, wave and rough water ride are epic!

For 21 centurion and supreme went to the integrated ICE stereo. It doesn’t sound like there’s any easy way around it, just leave the key in the run position for power to the screen and stereo.

The hulls are supposed to be like 3/4” thick from past pictures I’ve seen, be interesting to see if it’s abnormally thin there or something

They are indeed, I just love how deep the ZS is! But I feel my dealer AWS in strathmore has more then taken care of us and is offering us the FI at a great price, so very hard to pass on.

Well another update with some bad and good news. My dealers last 2 supremes took around 7 weeks from spray to delivered. So when our ZS232 sprayed at the start of May, we were excited and confident we’d see it for late June, which was a relief with hearing all the delays at the new supreme facility. The week following, my dealer calls and says there’s no eta on my boat, might be July, might be end of summer… great. Lucky for us, he had one Fi23 coming in July that wasn’t spoken for, somehow, so we put our name on it. So, as it stands, no ZS for us, which I’m kind of bummed about as I love the look and depth, and that massive deep rear storage. The Fi interior is damn sharp, and the dash layout is definitely a step above the supreme, and I feel my dealer went above and beyond and offered us a great deal to get us on the water this year! The Fi will be optioned very similarly to the ZS, but only the 409 in the Fi vs the 450ho we had in the ZS. I’m thinking the Fi isn’t as deep or heavy so the 409 should move it pretty well.

As Troy mention, some of that does sounds like dealer fault / missed QC, and is unfortunate you have to deal with. Hopefully your dealer can go through it better and gets you taken care of! How’s your gel coat seem as far as blemishes and overal quality? This really doesn’t help you, but my dealer has informed me of much improved quality/ quality control on his latest few supremes vs the first ones that were showing up at the end of 2021.

I’d probably jump at that price. At least then it’s the same as factory and cleaner looking then the surf pipe imo. I didn’t even ask what the price of the silent stinger was on my 22’ build, kind of interested now though.

Mother of god!! I don’t even know why they’re an option, should just be standard. These boats are massive, shy of carrying around a ladder good luck to most trying to get in.

I’d look into the factory silent stinger first, but from what I’ve seen on the other forums, guys that have cut holes for FAE haven’t noticed any difference in wave or performance. Troy, does your trailer have the rear extended/oversized steps for getting onto the swim platform?

I can’t contribute much to this convo, but to second what Troy said, my dealer also told me the ZS throws a better surf wave then the FI. Could have something to do with the Fi 21/23’s 32” of draft vs 36” of the supreme and other centurions. We were sold on the style and looks of the ZS, wife and I both love it, the lower price also helps.

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Good to hear a positive experience and your thought process on making the switch. I too have been somewhat contemplating this same switch, problem is I love the look, extra depth of the ZS, and in reality probably don’t need that extra 10” or people capacity. Did you get into detail on major differences of the EZ-V and Tapered-V hull and the difference in waves at all? Like why did they dump the staggered chines and downward angle on outer edge of hull? I’ve done a little digging, but still want more solid answers on this, it’s a major hang up in my decision making ability lol (even though I’m sure the difference is barely noticeable). Did you upgrade to the 450 because of elevation or just the size of the boat? I’ve also decided 450 at 3000’ elevation. Anyways, the white silver is a classic look, never gets old, that will be a sweet unit!

Looking for someone who has access to and could grab a few measurements for me. I’m trying to determine if the morryde cre3000 rubber equalizers will fit the leaf sprung boatmate trailer. https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Leaf-Spring-Suspension/MORryde/MR87ZR.html For 2022, torsion springs are an option, leaf springs are standard. I like leaf springs as they equally share the load across both axles on uneven ground, are easily rebuildable, and the trailer doesn’t need to be level, unfortunately they’re noisy and I believe are rougher then torsion springs. Torsions are very quiet, seem quite smooth IMO, but on uneven ground will not load share and can easily overload an axle, for this reason too the trailer must be pulled perfectly level. The morryde cre3000 and wet bolt kit should quiet the trailer down and help absorb the road shock that the metal on metal leafs won’t. The link shows a few measurements, but I need Center to Center of axles, bolt spacing on the equalizer, shackle length, leaf springs width and possibly tire to fender clearance, although im sure I could just reposition the fenders if need be. I will try and contact boatmate directly if nobody can get me this info, Thanks

When I got the quote for my zs232 back in Aug/Sept, my dealer informed me of a 3% price hike for boats built after October 2021. I just assumed that increase was added into the quote as we both knew my boat had a May 2022 build date. If anything changes I’ll report back, but he was adamant that his quoted price was the price I’ll pay and it won’t be changing. I’d certainly be a little pissed off with an unexpected price increase, especially since they should have known months ago, but not sure if it would be enough for me to walk. Read the fine print on the quote, probably not much you can do as you haven’t signed anything financially binding yet. Maybe they can work with you and toss in some extra gear or discount some added options. Hopefully it works out for you!

Even though there isn’t much action here, I’ll still update this incase anyone else is in the same situation. I talked to my dealer, he said apparently supreme is prioritizing customer sold boats, and dealer stock boats are getting bumped. My delivery date of May is still on schedule from what I’m told, which I’m happy to hear. His first boats (2) have been sprayed, but are currently sitting on the side line until they can squeeze them in he claimed. His new supreme Vinyl samples are on the truck now, so looking forward to seeing those and getting that figured out. Finally, does supremes website piss anyone else off? It annoys me that they can’t get their boat builder and site 100% up to date and functioning properly! I feel like that’s not asking too much….

I know it’s not really mind blowing news, but now it’s official. Be interesting to see details on this beast, drops on the 8th I think. Any predictions?

So I got a bit of clarification this morning, the ezV hull is based off the new optiV hull under the 230/245/265 and the taperedV hull was more based on the oringinal optiV hull is kind of how I understood it. So basically, all things being equal, the new ezV should perform better at everything then the taperedV. That could be way off though, just relaying what I was told. Im guessing for 2023 the taperedV will be updated to the ezV. Hopefully that won’t hurt resale too bad on 2022 212/232’s.