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I have to be careful when talking about 2018 stuff but this is an area that I can hopefully provide some helpful info. Ramfill and CATS are options for the 2018 boats and there are a few reasons why they are options instead of standard equipment. CATS - When it comes to this one it is correct that with the recent Correct Craft / Malibu Lawsuit settlement Centurion has to pay a royalty for all CATS systems that are put into a boat. In the past the CATS fin made a huge difference for the quality of the wakeboard and surf wakes, especially in the SV and FS series boats. With what Centurion has coming down the line for 2018 CATS isn't nearly as vital and has only minor benefits. As a dealer trying to explain and demonstrate the benefits of CATS is a very difficult process and 90% of customers rarely use it. CATS has major benefits for boat owners looking for the ultimate in customization, however for the majority of Centurion owners it is a system that adds another level of complication and isn't utilized. By making it an option for 2018 it allows those that want the benefits to get a boat with it but also allows those that don't need it to save some $$$. RAMFILL - Ramfill is the bees knees, that's pretty much it. It is an option for 2018 but the ballast capacity and storage will be identical whether you choose to have Ramfill or not. The primary reason why it is an option is for marketing purposes and I am in favor of this change even though we will probably never sell a boat without Ramfill. By having it as an option Centurion puts themselves in a stronger when going head to head against another boat brand. Here is an example: CURRENT SALES GUY CONVERSATION (Comparing against Brand A) "We do our ballast system differently than Brand A, we offer a system that fills and empties faster and is superior to Brand A's System" 2018 SALES GUY CONVERSATION "We offer the same ballast configuration as Brand A in our boats. Beyond that we offer an upgrade that allows you to take your ballast fill time from 18 minutes to 45 seconds. We are the only boat manufacturer that offers this system upgrade and it is amazing." Nobody should ever order a boat without Ramfill but it does put Centurion in a stronger position when showcasing the benefits of Ramfill by making it an option. If someone tries to order a boat without it I will probably slap them and require a 50% down payment on the boat. There have been a few warranty issues with the system but Ramfill is pretty much the best thing ever. Also, with the amount of ballast that the 2018 boats hold the ballast fill or empty time would be around 20 minutes without Ramfill. We took a Supra SE550 on trade for a 257 this year and the time to fill the ballast clocked in at 17 minutes and 40 seconds (we timed it). After having Ramfill that seemed like the longest 18 minutes of my life.

My 9yo went rope less for the first time July 3rd. Me and my 6yo surfing

4th of July parade on the San Bernard River in Texas

2003 Avy. 1073 hours last I checked. Got her in '08 with 40 hours. I've put on about 35 so far this year. Still purrs like a kitten...

One of our carbon skimboards on a customers Harley... doesn't get much cooler.

Early morning sesh Tuesday

X2 for the corson piper racks! I can carry 2 boards in each rack rack with zero damage. They really are the best addition that I have made to my boat.

Topshot...here is an option. Just below where you showed pics of your boat on "lets see your rides"...looks at Rhunts old boat. He has Corson Piper racks mounted on top of his tower. I bought 2....to mount UNDER my tower (pointing down), since I use my bimini a lot. However dont have pics to post cause I need to move both of my tower speakers to outside mounts to make it work first....but have seen other people do the same thing. Not sure if you have thick surf boards and that is why or another reason...but my Doomswell will not fit in normal rack. Corsonpiper@gmail.com...and you can see more pics of you search corson piper on the WW forum. $280 for 1 rack...or $480 for 2 racks from him. Great mount and zero damage to board. You still have to buy rack pads for 20-25 each....and "speaker mounts" to mount rack to your tower (I found them for 25 each and you need 2 for each rack). Another option...Skylon makes regular racks in wake/surf or surf/surf....and they also make specialty sizes in 3" and 4" spacing for extra thick boards if that is what you are looking for. Sure they have a mount that will work for you, you may just have to call them. I recently ordered 2) X3 racks that are dipped in vinyl and are supposed to cause zero damage to board tho they may still put black marks on them. Not had a chance to mount them either. Every minute I have off, I am surfing, nor working on boat. I will worry about my long list of projects this fall. Sure someone else will have other options...those are the 2 I know of.

Such a beautiful day! Got my selfie ropeless for the first time on the 257. Her smile was priceless.

Some shots from late June and 4th of July weekend.

Nice, as always thanks for the info boardco!!!! Cant wait to see the Fi23 and find out if with the options I'd need/want if it'll fit my budget.

I am surfingng the 238 tomorrow morning. I will let you know my thoughts tomorrow afternoon.

By chance have you surf led the 238? Just looking for a comparison to what I have now. Im thinking I need to demo some different boats. Anyone surf a GS22?

That should just be for break-in, after that you can go 50-100 depending on your use.

Very nice Troy Must have made you proud to see him up on his own! I'd say good call not pushing them being so young.

Love to see kids involved like this....been trying to get my daughters to try surfing and bought them a ZUP board to get used to it. 1 is standing up on it now....so I have high hopes, but don't want to push them too hard and make them have a bad first experience and ruin future chances.

Why would anyone want to wait 7-8 minutes to fill bags when you can just drive down the lake for 30-40 seconds and be done?

I don't think you can get more total ballast without Ramfill tho I could be wrong (if Quickfill made up the difference). I have Ramfill on my 2014 SV244 (first year of Ramfill) and get 1250 per side....and then have 700lb PnP bags on each side....so 1950 total per side in rear for total of 3,900lbs. Guess the new RI locker size may be different without RF, but I know on the SV244 that I have, without Ramfill you can fit 1100lb bags....I have heard of people getting 1500lb if they also go up under side seats with custom made bag but then you lose all that storage space I believe. With Ramfill, it does take up like half of the storage under side seats but you still have some storage area left tho its only like 6-8" deep, so kindof sucks in that regard for sure. Personally I really like Ramfill option since I use it a lot... tho for someone who just wants storage and does not surf a lot, I could see the benefit of not having Ramfill and it IS nice to be able to fill PnP while sitting still. Course not sure why you would buy a boat like this if watersports is not your thing.

Can't speak to your glovebox, but for the valves, that's how mine work. If I leave them open, they'll be closed next time. So I just open and close them when we're done and open and close them when we start. That way I have no doubt where they are. Those rear ones can trick you into thinking they're open when they're not.

The frustrating part of the software issue is not only shared by us, but by the manufacturer also. They don't have a person in house writing code for the control systems. Murphy has to have their engineers rewrite as necessary to the end users specifications. Not only does this take longer than it should but things get missed in the translations as Murphy is not "hands on" with a lot of it. Its more like the manufacturer says "we need to fix the issues with the runway lights" . Murphy does what they can on there end may miss things along the way unknowingly. All these electronic systems in ALL these inboards are third party sourced.

I'm gonna steer you towards the Mastercraft, because of the slalom. From a surfer and boat enthusiast the Avy would be a better buy. ...And if you came to ride my boat with a ski, you would have to leave that ski in the car.