Thinking about switching from Nautique to Centurion

[jmcclain01 1]

We have a 2009 216V and have been very happy with it. It's a good all around boat not but not great at anything. We have started surfing more with the rough waters and increasing age and this is difficult ith our current boat. I have to spend about 30 minutes setting up and breaking down bags which are placed all over the boat to get just an average surf wave at best. I was at the Dallas boat show this weekend and sepnt a lot of time in the Enzo 210 and 230. I like the fact that it has a PCM powerplant, makes my wife at ease with the reliability factor, but I don't know much about the boats outside of that. I do know historically they are known to be the best surf boats out there, but my few questions are:

 

1. if we get the extra ballast, I think it's 3000 pounds, will this be a good surf wave with no extra bags. If I do this and we still have to fill extra bags I'm going to be in big trouble.

2. Is the 230 worth the extra $6k? I like the additional space on the inside, but any differences other that that?

3. Resale. Coming out of a Nautique we are having a very pleasant experience with our boat value, seems to be holding it real well. Do you guys see this with the Enzos as well?

4. Why Enzo and not MB 23' wide body?

 

Thanks in advance for your help and I apologize if there are repeat questions that have been answered before. through my searches it seems there is a lot of info on the older models, but could not find a lot on the newer models. Maybe they haven't changed too much, but don't know the answer to that question either.

[shawndoggy 49]

All used boats are holding value well because of the crazy market for new boats. You just can't buy much of a new boat for under $75K these days.

 

Can't speak to an enzo but have an MB 23' widebody if you have any specific questions on that.

[SMITH 2]

Have a read of "Our new 2014 FX22" in this sub forum as well.

[jmcclain01 1]

Have a read of "Our new 2014 FX22" in this sub forum as well.

I'll take a look at that thread, thanks for the heads up.

[dejoeco 59]

I have a 2013 SV 233 and love the boat. Same hull as the 230 with more extras and a different cockpit arrangement. With alll the stock blallst there is no aboslute need of any more weight unlkess there is just two of you riding. I must admit I add abouot 600 lbs of lead ballast to make it pro level. I like the boat so much I have the dealer selling mine and I ordered a new 233.

 

I think you would be happiest with the 230 instead of the 210.

[WETSU Wakesurfer 56]

Just to get clarity. The boats at the DFW show were an SV210 and a SV244 with RAMFILL and CATS. They didn't have any 230 or FX series unfourtnately.

 

Now couple additional questions.

- which side do you and family ride the most? (will dictate some options) If you ride the Darkside then definately get the Asymetrical Wing plate option. I replaced the standard plate on mine with the A-plate and love the difference it made in the wave.

- do you want the 23 foot boat (230 series) or the 24 foot boat (240 series)

- are you concerned about underseat storage capacity? If so steer away from RAMFIL and go with sacks but keep CATS for sure if it is an option.

- do you HAVE to have rapid ballast fill ie. 29 seconds with RAMFILL or are you OK with a fill time of about 5 minutes for sacks on ballast puppys?

 

Now to answer your questions and bear in mind this is my opinion and you know what they say about those and for reference I have a 2013 SV230+ Enzo as my boat.

 

1. If you option the boat with all available ballast you will be able to surf the boat (either 23 or 24 ft) with no problem without adding any additional sacks. If you WANT a little bigger wave then you can easily swap out the stock 750lb bags in the lockers with 1100lb bags for less than $400 and then sell the 750s easily. I did this in my boat and it did make a difference and only took about 5 minutes to accomplish the swap. I also keep 2 Fly Hi Fat Bricks (150lbs each) on the boat for days we run a light crew (2-3 guys total) to offset the lack of body weight on those days but I do not have to use the Fat Bricks normally.

 

2. There will be a difference between the 21 foot boat and the 23 or 24 foot boat soley based on weight and displacement of the hull. I really like the extra room in the bow and the full Sunpad with my 230+, but in the 230+ this does reduce the MAX ballast sack you can fit under the Starboard mid-seat to the 250lb sack that it comes with. I offset this by placing some POP-Product bags in the void to give me a little more weight on the right side since we only sure the darkside. You do not have the mid-seat ballast limitation in the 233/244 series or in the 240+ series.

 

Only you can answer the difference in weather the length and max person capacity are important to you. Your best option and if you are local in the DFW are it should be a no brainer would be to test every hull you are interested in configured the way you intend to run it if you own it. After talking with Shane this past weekend while I was at the DFW show I would expect that he would have NO issue with this and I know he is planning a BIG demo weekend also that he asked me to come down for a run one of the Demo boats as well as a couple other CenturionCrew guys from here thatw ere at the show this weekend.

 

3. Based solely on obseravtions from when I was looking for my boat I would say that the Enzos and all the other Centurion boats do hold their value very well.

 

4. Only you can really answer this one. I personnaly think the fit and finish of the Centurions is better but that is not to say that the MBs are not nice boats. I looked at the MBs at the show and they were nice but there were some things I didn't personnaly like. The towers are ugly and seemed a little loose to me, ballast options seemed limited, but just my opinion.

 

Hope this helps, if you have any other specific questions let me know or shoot me a PM.

[Bongo Fury 640]

I upgraded from my Falcon V to a Enzo 233 last season. The Enzo wave is awesome right out of the box!. Like some of the others have mentioned, we do add some additional weight to make it an epic wave especially with a smaller crew. I would be sure to order your boat with all available ballast or be ready to add it later.

 

One note here.....the Centurion owners on this site are some of the most knowledgeable you will find as it relates to surf waves and and set ups. Keep that in mind, because the Enzo waves that are out of the box are beautiful and perhaps the best you will find on a factory set up boat....the waves most on this site strive for are pro level or the best their model can make. Another notable feature in the Enzo is the ride with the deep V......It handles the rough chop beautifully and was very eye opening to me.

 

I have been a Centurion owner and was clearly biased......but I climbed through most every V Drive at the boat show last year with an open mind and wallet and decided to stay with Centurion. I could not be happier with my boat. Good luck with your search.....I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!

[Troy 234]

I was at the Dallas Boat show this past weekend also. I will say Shane at Freedom Powersports Lewisville was awesome. I probably spent 2 hrs talking with him at the boat show and at the dealership the week prior. Just talking boats, he knew I wasn't in the market for a new boat but still took the time to answer my questions and chat. He was straight up and knew what he was talking about. He also asked if I could help with the demo days, as he did WETSU wakesurfer. IF I had the extra cash I would have a 233 or 244 in a hearbeat. I would love to have the extra interior room and the beautiful Enzo wave.

 

1. I run 250lbs center, 1100lbs rear locker and about 200-300lbs on the Starboard side and like my wave with just my wife and 2 kids on the boat. I couldn't imagine the wave with an Enzo and 3k ballast, Has to be Awesome!

 

2. Extra ballast and extra room. Are you talking 210 and 230 or you talking 210 and 233/244? The 233 or 244 has a different dash to the 210 and 230. And you can have Ram Fill on the 233/244 where it isn't an option on the 210 or 230.

 

3. From looking around on the internet I can sell my Avalanche for what I paid for it in 2010, and Enzo's hold better value IMO.

 

4. I think the Centurion is a better made and better looking boat, again In My Opinion.

[jmcclain01 1]

Just to get clarity. The boats at the DFW show were an SV210 and a SV244 with RAMFILL and CATS. They didn't have any 230 or FX series unfourtnately.

 

Now couple additional questions.

- which side do you and family ride the most? (will dictate some options) If you ride the Darkside then definately get the Asymetrical Wing plate option. I replaced the standard plate on mine with the A-plate and love the difference it made in the wave.

- do you want the 23 foot boat (230 series) or the 24 foot boat (240 series)

- are you concerned about underseat storage capacity? If so steer away from RAMFIL and go with sacks but keep CATS for sure if it is an option.

- do you HAVE to have rapid ballast fill ie. 29 seconds with RAMFILL or are you OK with a fill time of about 5 minutes for sacks on ballast puppys?

 

Now to answer your questions and bear in mind this is my opinion and you know what they say about those and for reference I have a 2013 SV230+ Enzo as my boat.

 

1. If you option the boat with all available ballast you will be able to surf the boat (either 23 or 24 ft) with no problem without adding any additional sacks. If you WANT a little bigger wave then you can easily swap out the stock 750lb bags in the lockers with 1100lb bags for less than $400 and then sell the 750s easily. I did this in my boat and it did make a difference and only took about 5 minutes to accomplish the swap. I also keep 2 Fly Hi Fat Bricks (150lbs each) on the boat for days we run a light crew (2-3 guys total) to offset the lack of body weight on those days but I do not have to use the Fat Bricks normally.

 

2. There will be a difference between the 21 foot boat and the 23 or 24 foot boat soley based on weight and displacement of the hull. I really like the extra room in the bow and the full Sunpad with my 230+, but in the 230+ this does reduce the MAX ballast sack you can fit under the Starboard mid-seat to the 250lb sack that it comes with. I offset this by placing some POP-Product bags in the void to give me a little more weight on the right side since we only sure the darkside. You do not have the mid-seat ballast limitation in the 233/244 series or in the 240+ series.

 

Only you can answer the difference in weather the length and max person capacity are important to you. Your best option and if you are local in the DFW are it should be a no brainer would be to test every hull you are interested in configured the way you intend to run it if you own it. After talking with Shane this past weekend while I was at the DFW show I would expect that he would have NO issue with this and I know he is planning a BIG demo weekend also that he asked me to come down for a run one of the Demo boats as well as a couple other CenturionCrew guys from here thatw ere at the show this weekend.

 

3. Based solely on obseravtions from when I was looking for my boat I would say that the Enzos and all the other Centurion boats do hold their value very well.

 

4. Only you can really answer this one. I personnaly think the fit and finish of the Centurions is better but that is not to say that the MBs are not nice boats. I looked at the MBs at the show and they were nice but there were some things I didn't personnaly like. The towers are ugly and seemed a little loose to me, ballast options seemed limited, but just my opinion.

 

Hope this helps, if you have any other specific questions let me know or shoot me a PM.

Thanks for all the help.

 

We ride regular, on the port side. I assume this would be regular prop rotation for most V-drives these days? I looked at the SS210 at the boat show but climbed around the other boat there, thought it was the 230, just to compare size which is what got me thinking about the extra space, it sure was nice. We don't really need the length difference, but with the lack of storage I thought it might help resolve that problam a little bit. I would option the boat just as the 210 was there, without RAM fill and all the extra ballast which I think totals 3000 pounds?

 

I'm going to go back to the show tomorrow to talk more and climb around the boat more, but I thought I would try to learn as much as possible prior to going back so I'll know what questions to ask and know more of what I am looking at. I do really like the interior styling and the options they offered over the MB, mostly the tower difference. The dealer location is also a huge bonus for me. I live in Frisco and getting to TMC is a pain for me, but Freedom is so close and easy to get to.

[WETSU Wakesurfer 56]

Frankly it sounds like you would be best off with the SS230 or SV233. Same 23 foot hull with different interior layout, SS230 has larger bow area and the SV233 has larger cockpit area. Both 23 foot boats will surf exceptionally with the available Optioned ballast on the Regular side. Not much info yet out there on the SS210 and it's surf wave that I have seen. I initially thought that I would be OK with a 21 foot hull in a competitors series of boats and was disappointed in the wave produced which drove me to the 23 foot Centurion and I will say that I am glad to have the additional length especially when we get 2 families out on the boat, not to mention the exceptional surf wave. I do wish I had a dealer closer to me. We do not have a single Centurion dealer in OK and the closest is Freedom in Lewisville which is still a 3+ hour haul from here.

[Tommywalton1974 175]

I can speak on the avalanche. It's 22 feet, and my first inboard. I sold it Saturday after 1 season. It was a beautiful solid boat. No complaints other than ballast. It wasn't built for massive ballast.

 

With that said I could have bought almost any other v drive boat. I will be picking up an sv230 within a week.

 

The boat is for surfing. Ballast and a big starboard wave! From what I've read hear the 230 is a little easier to sink than the 240's. Surfing is priority and everything else falls behind that for me. I trust these guys opinion and that's why I'm buying another centurion. An ENZO!

 

Good luck! There is a member here selling a very nice 2009 sv230. I wanted it but my financing wouldn't quite allow it

[LKASurfing 53]

I have a great 233 for sale if interested!

[Nickbenjamin 1]

What year LKA?

[dejoeco 59]

I have a great 233 for sale if interested!

I have one for sale too. Very similar to LKA. It is a 2013 SV 233 with all ballast option upgraded stereo the 409 engine. I love it and have a new one on order.

 

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2013-Centurion-Enzo-SV233-102065004

Edited February 5, 2014 by dejoeco

[Nickbenjamin 1]

Wow dajoeco she's a beaut! Little out of my range though. I have to sell my 06 enzo 230 first, and I might be in the market for something around 08-09 for 45-50k. Wish I could get one that new though. And sorry, I don't mean to jack the thread. To the OP, centurion makes the best surf wave period!

[dejoeco 59]

Wow dajoeco she's a beaut! Little out of my range though. I have to sell my 06 enzo 230 first, and I might be in the market for something around 08-09 for 45-50k. Wish I could get one that new though. And sorry, I don't mean to jack the thread. To the OP, centurion makes the best surf wave period!

Thanks, I do love the boat, but we put too many hours on it to keep it too long. What I like best is how the lip cleans up and rolls over. It makes tricks off the top and lip easier to do.