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mjpcarbon    0

Tuneman have you done anymore with this.

Any pictures of more permanent setup.

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tuneman    6

Tuneman have you done anymore with this.

Any pictures of more permanent setup.

I just brought the boat home last Saturday and am working on the permanent setup. Stay tuned....

 

As far as NSS vs. Gate goes, they both achieve the same result, but do it in different ways. The Gate uses wake divergence, but the NSS actually uses lift (more like a trim tab.) I'll continue to unevenly weight my boat, since I'm not interested in going broke paying for gas. So, for me, the Gate looks like the way to go to minimize the boat list.

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mjpcarbon    0

From what you have done do you think gate size(length&width) or amount of angle would yield the best results

 

I think I am going to make a fixed temporary setup like yours to try and see how it works then graduate to the real thing.

 

I may be pulling the engine this weekend so the gate will be on hold for another couple weeks, still cold in NJ anyway

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volzalum    280

The NSS does not use lift as its main force, it uses deflection. Surfgate uses extension. NSS deflects the water flow to make the wave convergence shift away from the surf side. The tab underneath the transom does create some lift on the opposite of surf side, but the deflection down is significantly less than deflection out. Surfgate extends the water flow to have the convergence move.

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PayCheck    20

I got the impression that the surf hate uses deflection also. Yes i agree it extends the hull, but if you have seen it in action the gate open outward and relays water away from the boat. Technically the gate does extend the hull, but I would think it is there more so to deflect water and lodge the hull towards the surf side.

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mjpcarbon    0

I agree that the gate is used to skew the boat and make it push sideways thru the water thus creating a larger wake, so with that said I suppose at some point the boat will be difficult to steer straight , not that it matters much.

This is going to be first on my to do list once the engine remove and install is done weather permitting this weekend.

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volzalum    280

Ok, I ride some of the Malibu factory boats since I'm friends with their Engineers. The Malibu Surfgate extends the side thus moving the center of the wave (point where the 2 sides water flow meets) further from the surf side. This both allows the wave to get a little bigger, but also keeps it mostly clean on the surf side. The surfgate does not cause the boat to lean or crab. I'm describing it as closely as I can based on the boats' Engineers design.

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PayCheck    20

Why would the gate extend farther than the side of the hull then? I agree it extends the hull, obviously, but the fact that it displaces water in such a manner that the boat just slightly shifts is a good indicator that the gate is deflecting something. I believe if it was purely to extend the hull, it would be quite a bit deeper and taller. If there were an engineer to explain exactly how it worked (in English lol) then that would be super legit :thumbsup:

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stoked    1,039

Hey tuneman! I've been a long time lurker on this thread and I completely dig it! I'm starting to make some wood mockups for my 07 Avy, and I didn't want to reinvent your wheel. Did you dial in on any better configuration? The last specs I saw you put were:

 

12 Degree (or what every the angle of the hull)

20 Degree out

9.5" x 20" for the gate itself

 

Any thoughts on how these guys will do in shallow water? We surf part time on the Chesapeake Bay where you're lucky to find anything flat and deeper than 7ft. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to push a larger/cleaner wave in shallower water with this setup. The plan is once I get the mockups done and tuned, I'm going to turn them into plexiglas with some hydros to control them. Did you ever get to a more permanent setup? Or anything on the goofy side? Any other lessons learned you'd like to pass on?

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Fpounds    0

Love the gate how much would you charge to make me one?

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stoked    1,039

Just made these guys yesterday for my 07 Avy. I took enough photos to slap a DIY together (will hopefully get that posted tonight). I Basically followed what tuneman did, my angles worked out to be the same

 

 

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mancho    85

Interested to see how this turns out...

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mancho    85

Ugh, man, you just did a loop back to this thread!!! why did you start another? Ok, grr, I'm not going to click that first link... don't click that first link...

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stoked    1,039

I started a DIY that references the inspiration giving tuneman the proper credit. The link is for those that got to the DIY not from here but still are interested in his posts and videos. Unless I missed something, no harm no foul.

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Chrisj4207    18

Just made these guys yesterday for my 07 Avy. I took enough photos to slap a DIY together (will hopefully get that posted tonight). I Basically followed what tuneman did, my angles worked out to be the same

 

 

I like it post some pics

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stoked    1,039

I like it post some pics

Follow the link a couple of posts up. I just ordered the actuators today for the permanent setup, I'll add that install to the DIY

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