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Troy. R    198

Hey Everyone,

I'm coming up on my 25hr service for the ZS232. I've always done all of my own service on my old Avalanche, so when the dealer quoted me $650! and said they can't get me in for at least a month I decided I can do this as well. I've been reading through some oil change threads on the newer PCM engines and it seems mix whether people prefer to extract the oil out of the dipstick tube or the drain hose. What do you prefer and why? I'll be tackling the oil/filter, spin-on fuel filter, and transmission fluid this weekend per the 25hr service recommendation in the manual.

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volzalum    280

Troy,

Verify your warranty requirements on the engine and boat. On my 2015, the 25 hour service was required to be performed by a dealer because they complete a Centurion and PCM checklist that has to be sent in to continue your warranty. After the 25 hour, you can then service your own boat. It may have changed since the 2015 models, but make sure before you potentially lose your warranty by not getting it completed by a dealer.

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Troy. R    198

Hey @volzalum

I asked the service manager at the local dealer if it would compromise my warranty if I did the work. He said no, just save my receipts for the materials. I did schedule some warranty work (carpet buttons pulling through and a recall on an under amperage circuit breaker) for late September. I was going to have them do the rest of the inspections (Engine alignment, belts, etc.) at that time. I’m at 22hrs and the manual does explicitly say to change the oil no later than 25hrs. So, if I wait for them to do the oil, I’m essentially down for 6 weeks which would suck!

You do make a good point though. I’m going to call PCM directly and confirm tomorrow.

That aside, do you have a preference on the original question?

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volzalum    280

For the oil, I warm the engine up and extract through the drain hose into a vacuum pump canister. I have not tried through the dipstick. It has worked well for me through that process. I have not touched the transmission fluid except to check it. The oil filter and two fuel filters are relatively easy. The alignment is fairly easy as well.

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Troy. R    198

Cool. Thanks @volzalum! I used to always do the oil on my Avy and my Dad’s Wakesetter, neither of which had a drain hose, so I always did it through the dipstick tube. Logically, the drain hose seems like it would be a better extraction point, but in my research I noticed there were still a number of people that preferred the dipstick tube.

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InfinitySurf    302

I use a vacuum pump on the drain hose as well after warming up the engine. I found a fitting at Lowes that has a nipple on the end for the vacuum pump hose and on other end, a female threaded end that screws onto the drain hose in place of the factory cap. I took the cap with me to match up the threads

I have actually seen a number of posts where people got the hose stuck in the dipstick tube either cause it got wedged into the bottom of tube or due to engine being hot and had the plastic end melt slightly and then get stuck. Personally I would never use the dipstick tube when the drain hose is so easy to access.

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Troy. R    198

Good call on the threaded adapter @InfinitySurf i'll have to look into that. Any chance you can post a pic to use for reference?

In case anyone else is curious on the warranty concern @volzalum mentioned yesterday, I just got off the phone with PCM. They said doing the 25hr service yourself does not void/compromise your warranty.

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InfinitySurf    302

@Troy. R For some reason, this site will not allow me to renew my supporting membership, I have tried multiple times over the last few months. Without the membership, I cannot post any more pictures. I need to email Admin and see why it wont allow me to renew.

But check out this link, this is NOT the exact fitting I bought, just an easy picture to show it.

I do believe the fitting needed for mine was 1/4" hose barbed fitting on one end with 1/4 NPT female threads on the other end to screw onto the drain hose line. Before that, I would slip the vacuum pump line into the oil drain hose approx 2" and then put a piece of tape blue painters tape (or similar) over the connection so it wouldnt pull out on my and to stop air leaking so the vacuum pump would keep suction on the line

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Troy    234

I like the idea of a screw on fitting on the oil drain tube. Just letting the oil drain out, doesn't work for crap. With a vacuum pump and a screw on fitting, I bet that works great!

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MobEnzo    51

I agree Troy, I’m going to give it a shot on my Black Scorpion this season. I saw someone post about this on fb recently and liked the idea. I’ve done the dip stick, just because pump screws on there, but never seems like it gets it all, not too mention the fear of it breaking off.

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Troy. R    198

Did the oil/filter, fuel/water separator, and transmission fluid today per the 25hr break in service recommendation in the manual. My extractor tube sealed very well in the drain tube. I’m fairly certain I was able to get all of the oil out. It was a little over 4 quarts that I extracted plus filter. After extracting everything I could from the drain tube I tried extracting from the dipstick tube just to see if there was a difference. Nothing more came out. I only filled to the add line since I was on the trailer at a little bit of a slope. I threw a fresh quart in the boat which I’ll use to top off at the dock next time we go out. I will say, it was a little easier and less messy than the Scorpion in my old Avalanche due to the remote filter. Kudos to PCM for actually considering maintenance in their design!

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