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InfinitySurf    302

So last question about maintenance this Spring. I was planning to change the v-drive oil since I figure being a 2014 is right time. I have the PCM "power plus" v-drive 1:48 trans. Recommended is the Mobiltrans  SHC 50 synthetic transmission lubricant (R190250).

In owners manual, it says that the "power plus" trans are designed to be "maintainance free" and to check after 25hrs and annually after that and only replace if evidence of contamination is present (which there is none). Is there a reason they don't recommend to change fluid or is that just a selling point so you don't have to worry about it?

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Jlagos    23

Your correct about not needing changing the fluid in the vdrive portion of the "transmission". I have not heard  or read of alot of problems by following their recommendation so I suspect it is not selling gimmick. As you read, check on the level and appearance to make sure no water has entered the unit. Always check for water entry if water surprisingly enters the bilge area and stays very elevated. If it sits in or under water, the water is more likely to slip past the seals/gaskets. You probably realize however that the transmission fluid does need changing. Just not the v-drive portion. Don't have a clear answer for your question  Unfortunately.

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InfinitySurf    302
2 hours ago, Jlagos said:

Your correct about not needing changing the fluid in the vdrive portion of the "transmission". I have not heard  or read of alot of problems by following their recommendation so I suspect it is not selling gimmick. As you read, check on the level and appearance to make sure no water has entered the unit. Always check for water entry if water surprisingly enters the bilge area and stays very elevated. If it sits in or under water, the water is more likely to slip past the seals/gaskets. You probably realize however that the transmission fluid does need changing. Just not the v-drive portion. Don't have a clear answer for your question  Unfortunately.

(2014 ZR409 CES)

This had me confused since I only saw the dipstick for the v-drive and no separate transmission fill/dipstick. I see that Trans is listed as Dexron III in my manual....but in my manual the pics were confusing me at first and made me think the v-drive oil and transmission were the same (cause its called "PCM trans" & PCM v-drive trans"). I see now that it has pics of the system split apart and they are joined together.

I looked more carefully at my actual engine a few mins ago and I would love to verify what I need to do here from someone with the knowledge since I don't have it yet. I took some pictures and attached

1st pic....is view of both trans and v-drive.

2nd pic....Must be the Mobiltrans SCH 50, Just behind and too the right of where shaft spins....there is a small square fill  cap (just behind the wire cover that is black with blue stripe on it). This must be the power plus transmission that does not require changing unless contaminated and with that small hole, it would be very difficult to not make a huge mess anyways, I do see where they say to remove both caps to help vent it if you do replace the fluid since its so thick. This is where the tag is that says 1:48. Does this take roughly 1.5 quarts if I do end up changing it down the road? I had not even check this fluid before, so I am gonna do that. Boat has never had a bunch of water in bilge that I am aware of, but this is my 2nd year with boat so anything could have happened beforehand. I am gonna open it up and check it to be sure its not milky or anything.

3rd pic...Then where the yellow dipstick is, the manual says for, PCM 80 Series 1:1 trans....(there is that green tag that says 1:1), to use the Dexron III. (Manual says to change once a year). It looks great, but dont know if its ever been done so I am gonna change it for sure. Says 2 quarts.

BTW, Thank you for the response cause this made me realize that I was wrong and I went back to look. Appreciate that!

While I am asking....anyone know where to get the right thermostat for this boat? Its the FWC-160 degrees. I was gonna order thermostat (just too stay ahead of the game) and a new horn cause mine sounded like crap (found a match for hidden horn on Amazon for $21)....but I ended up removing my horn last night, re-built/re-sealed/cleaned it and now it sounds great.

Besides compressed air.....what do you guys clean the flame arrestor with? I want this boat to be flawless for the summer and going over it with fine tooth comb.

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Jlagos    23

Pretty much everything you mentioned is correct but I believe there are 2 fill caps for the vdrive (one on each side). You might get 1.2 quarts out of the transmission to put back in when you replace. I believe it holds 2 quarts when 1st filled. I think your always best to measure how much you suck out in order to know how much needs to go back in. Check fluid levels when the boat is afloat so the position on the trailer doesn't give a false reading. I dont remember if the dipstick is inserted all the way in or until the base of dipstick touches the housing.

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Pildo    6

On the transmission fluid do you just suck out the old and replace it with new?    Is there a filter to change?

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Jlagos    23
1 hour ago, Pildo said:

On the transmission fluid do you just suck out the old and replace it with new?    Is there a filter to change?

Yes, insert fluid extractor tube down dipstick whole and remove. Small funnel is much needed when refilling. I can't remember seeing any boat threads ever talking about filters.

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InfinitySurf    302
2 hours ago, Pildo said:

On the transmission fluid do you just suck out the old and replace it with new?    Is there a filter to change?

There is no filter for trans or v-drive

3 hours ago, Jlagos said:

Pretty much everything you mentioned is correct but I believe there are 2 fill caps for the vdrive (one on each side). You might get 1.2 quarts out of the transmission to put back in when you replace. I believe it holds 2 quarts when 1st filled. I think your always best to measure how much you suck out in order to know how much needs to go back in. Check fluid levels when the boat is afloat so the position on the trailer doesn't give a false reading. I dont remember if the dipstick is inserted all the way in or until the base of dipstick touches the housing.

You don't screw it in when checking level, it does specify that. Good idea to measure what you remove to put new fluid back in. Even a tiny funnel will be tough to not spill in that space...but I have a really long funnel with very small end that may end up working for this. Thanks for direction

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Jlagos    23

Harbor freight sells small funnels for very cheap

 

 

 

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InfinitySurf    302
On 4/23/2018 at 8:44 PM, Jlagos said:

Pretty much everything you mentioned is correct but I believe there are 2 fill caps for the vdrive (one on each side). You might get 1.2 quarts out of the transmission to put back in when you replace. I believe it holds 2 quarts when 1st filled. I think your always best to measure how much you suck out in order to know how much needs to go back in. Check fluid levels when the boat is afloat so the position on the trailer doesn't give a false reading. I dont remember if the dipstick is inserted all the way in or until the base of dipstick touches the housing.

Seems almost impossible to find actual "Dexron III" fluid. Every parts store has aftermarket that is "ok" to use for Dexron III, most of them are called DEX/MERC. Is this what others are using or should I hold out and figure out how to special order the III? Seems its used rarely since was only used in vehicles prior to 2005, so hard to find that I have seen. Went to 3 different auto parts stores today as well as Wal-Mart and zero luck. Online I only see 2 options and 1 is out of stock everywhere.

Thoughts??

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Jlagos    23

Your going to need to find Chevron/Havoline. Apparently PCM does not want a synthetic product in the unit. From what I've read that is what the technicians recommend. 

Havoline Automatic Transmission Fluid MD-3

Havoline® Automatic Transmission Fluid MD-3 is formulated for applications that call for the former DEXRON®-III H, MERCON®, and Allison C-4 fluids.

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