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MFaso    56

in the same conditions XJ? If there is a lot of wind or boats you definitely need to play with the trim tab a little more.

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xj1514    13
1 hour ago, MFaso said:

in the same conditions XJ? If there is a lot of wind or boats you definitely need to play with the trim tab a little more.

Play? Yes. Hours. Some days the wave will not produce no matter the configuration, period. Some days the wave is better in the chop than the days with glassy water. Makes no sense. I wonder if the surf tabs dont respond in a linear fashion some days. 

Either way, my Supreme days are very numbered. 

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Brandon161    26

XJ what year is your boat?  I have no doubt you have tried everything. That just seems odd to me. I have a 16' like H2O and my wave is just stupid anymore.  With a three person crew or 10.  Choppy or smooth it's really on point.  However, I added over 1000 pounds of lead and I do list it :-)

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DjOM21    59

If Fineline would give this thing enough ballast to start and CATS it would be such a killer boat. Just give me a way to keep the wave face nice and clean no matter what the conditions. I don't wake board - so have little input on the wake there.

Also, if you are not running 1000 pound bags in each corner and 800-1000# of lead then yeah I could see how some people get a bad impression. I am over the whole list the boat philosophy now too. Fill the dam thing, drop the tabs and surf side to side all day. Quick and convenient. Works great for our needs  - everyone obviously is different. Still want an Ri237 with Opti- V but man the price uptick is no joke - so compromise.

S238 = Rock solid boat, great stereo, wicked power plant and roomy. Overall great value and straight up classy style. Is it perfect no - but what is?

Now I have seen some MB's that tun my head for sure - not keen on the dash at all - but other than that looks like a wicked boat. Not sure on the wave - but I am guessing it can out surf most of us.

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rrd525    40

We have a '16 as well. Last year it was finicky to get consistent wakes when dealing with different wind and chop conditions. This year we went to 850lb rear bags, and 160 lbs of lead in each locker and it made a huge difference in consistency.
Our crew is typically 4 of us. 
Lately everything in the rear full, center tank full, and bow weight depends on crew, but anywhere from 50 to 75%.   Trim tab from 20 to 70% depending on how they want the height. We bleed off a couple seconds of opposite quickfill to clean the face up if needed.
Keeps us happy out there for now.

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MFaso    56

I have a 17 s238. I turn on cruise control and quick surf, fill and run a 10 second test. All I play with is the trim tab and unless it's windy it's usually the same. It's VERY consistent for me. I tried my goofy side wave for the first time last night and had someone surfing right away. I'm not sure why some have more issues than others. I'm in love with the boat.

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NorSask    16

We list ours. Same set up every time out and it performs to our liking. I've played with different set up using the quick surf tabs and nothing compares to listing it, center tab 100% deployed, 11.2 and go! We put 65 hours on this summer and have been happy with every single aspect of our boat. I know everyone has different opinions, and different experiences...but we are happy. Its too bad it goes in for winterization on Tuesday. Its going to be a LONG 7 months till it hits the water again :( 

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guitarcrazy    0

Thanks for the replies.  I think I have narrowed down to the MB B52 23V again, or the Axis A24.  It seems a lot of 238 owners aren't happy with their wave and wakeboard wake isn't as good as the rest.  The 226 still looks like a great wake and wave, but I don't want to go down in size. 

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Fivebar2    176
12 hours ago, guitarcrazy said:

Thanks for the replies.  I think I have narrowed down to the MB B52 23V again, or the Axis A24.  It seems a lot of 238 owners aren't happy with their wave and wakeboard wake isn't as good as the rest.  The 226 still looks like a great wake and wave, but I don't want to go down in size. 

Have you gone on demos of all the boats? I would love to hear your experience on each. Pluses/minuses 

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MFaso    56
On ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 10:40 AM, guitarcrazy said:

Thanks for the replies.  I think I have narrowed down to the MB B52 23V again, or the Axis A24.  It seems a lot of 238 owners aren't happy with their wave and wakeboard wake isn't as good as the rest.  The 226 still looks like a great wake and wave, but I don't want to go down in size. 

I have seen very few unhappy and those who are have either had some odd issues that none of us are having and/or are just not getting the setup right. Before buying mine I started a thread here about it(It's down low somewhere). I was worried about a lot of things, such as the wave size and dropping the rope. This was my first season. I'm glad I looked into it so much but I can't say enough good things about the boat. I stuck my first 360 on the very last trip out(about two weeks ago now). If you were near me(NJ) I'd invite you out. The boat is awesome from top to bottom.

Only side note - I have NOT ridden the wakeboarding wake but, are you going to go pro? If not, I think you will be fine with it. You definitely aren't going to get anywhere near the same surf wave on those other boats. Another local has an axis and their wave is $hit compared to mine. Hate to compare but when you are out there and see another person surfing, you just watch for a bit. ;)

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xj1514    13
On 10/20/2017 at 8:35 AM, MFaso said:

I have seen very few unhappy and those who are have either had some odd issues that none of us are having and/or are just not getting the setup right. Before buying mine I started a thread here about it(It's down low somewhere). I was worried about a lot of things, such as the wave size and dropping the rope. This was my first season. I'm glad I looked into it so much but I can't say enough good things about the boat. I stuck my first 360 on the very last trip out(about two weeks ago now). If you were near me(NJ) I'd invite you out. The boat is awesome from top to bottom.

Only side note - I have NOT ridden the wakeboarding wake but, are you going to go pro? If not, I think you will be fine with it. You definitely aren't going to get anywhere near the same surf wave on those other boats. Another local has an axis and their wave is $hit compared to mine. Hate to compare but when you are out there and see another person surfing, you just watch for a bit. ;)

The wake is garbage under 22.5 mph, period. The wave is temperamental. The warranty sucks, I have a list a mile long that has been messed up since summer, and while it will be warrantied, it takes way too long for Supreme to make up their mine, and usually tells the dealer they have to go direct tbrough the manufacturer,ie wetsounds amp has been fried for a few months now with no new one yet. 

I wish I were one of the few, however most of the 17 Supremes in this area are having alot of issues. I see them at the dealership first hand. 

 

Mfaso, Im stoked for you sir. I truly wish my experience was the same. Part of this is on me, Supreme is not a wakeboat, its a surf boat, thats my bad. 

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Cwazy1    89
2 hours ago, xj1514 said:

 

did you decide on what boat you're going to be in next year? 

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Shaka    146

I've heard the new B52's are pretty good. With that said look hard at the new Moomba Max.

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MFaso    56
On ‎10‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 10:29 PM, xj1514 said:

The wake is garbage under 22.5 mph, period. The wave is temperamental. The warranty sucks, I have a list a mile long that has been messed up since summer, and while it will be warrantied, it takes way too long for Supreme to make up their mine, and usually tells the dealer they have to go direct tbrough the manufacturer,ie wetsounds amp has been fried for a few months now with no new one yet. 

I wish I were one of the few, however most of the 17 Supremes in this area are having alot of issues. I see them at the dealership first hand. 

 

Mfaso, Im stoked for you sir. I truly wish my experience was the same. Part of this is on me, Supreme is not a wakeboat, its a surf boat, thats my bad. 

I hear ya. I would be pretty pi$$ed if that was happening to me as well. Sounds like a $hit a batch was sent out by you, somehow. You are taking it better than me. I'd probably be trying to tell the dealer I want a full refund. If you are ever in the NJ/NYC area send me a message and we'll go out. I'm guessing the issues you are having are effecting the wake board wake as well but I'd have to play with that more to see if I can get good results. I'll try in April. I hope is all works out for you man.

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Cwazy1    89
20 hours ago, Shaka said:

 look hard at the new Moomba Max.

But its so ugly! 

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CO Surfer    289

Just googled it.  It is pretty ugly.

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xj1514    13
On 10/21/2017 at 10:00 PM, Cwazy1 said:

did you decide on what boat you're going to be in next year? 

Nope. Can't pin down the dealer, well any of them to be honest. Tried scheduling  demo's, but never got it worked out. I'm not sure at this point, maybe boat show? Who knows. 

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xj1514    13
11 hours ago, MFaso said:

I hear ya. I would be pretty pi$$ed if that was happening to me as well. Sounds like a $hit a batch was sent out by you, somehow. You are taking it better than me. I'd probably be trying to tell the dealer I want a full refund. If you are ever in the NJ/NYC area send me a message and we'll go out. I'm guessing the issues you are having are effecting the wake board wake as well but I'd have to play with that more to see if I can get good results. I'll try in April. I hope is all works out for you man.

Thats the thing, I was told one thing, full buy out, and now receiving another, trade in. Be very careful who you buy from, like we have much choice. I'm beyond unhappy at this point, just trying to make the best of it. 

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Birddog    3
On 9/8/2017 at 5:12 AM, h20king said:

They do. NWBS sells both MB and supreme. When you look at both boats side by side the supreme wins hands down 

you might be the only person I have ever heard say that. The B52 Surf wake by all accounts, is superior especially with the 2018, it surfs amazing right from the factory with literally zero messing around. The fit and finish isn't even close. MB is head and shoulders in terms of interior looks and quality. One visit to the MB boat owners site and you can find tons of pics and videos of amazing MB wakes. On here I haven't seen more than 1 or two that make me think the S238 can hold candle to either the Tomcat or the B52.

The things I have observed that I like better on the Supreme are, the interior is deeper, noticeably which is odd because it looks to have significantly less free board than either the tomcat or the B52. The S238 also seems to have more room than the B52. The S238 looks better sitting in the water.

I'm not a fan of either dashboard, but I hate the MB less. The S238 looks like someone stuffed some gauges in a nylon backpack and shoved it up against the windshield.

My local dealer assures me its a surf monster and I like it enough to demo it before I make a move on my next boat but the marginal interior, the lack of free board and the absence of verifiable big surf waves definitely has me leaning MB... for now.

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Shaka    146
On 10/23/2017 at 1:13 PM, Cwazy1 said:

But its so ugly! 

They aren't that bad. They definitely have a Supra vibe which is understandable. I'm not vain like you ingrates. ;)

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