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There has been a lot of discussion on this so I wanted to add what I have experimented with. Please note that you should always adhere to manufactures weight recommendations and addition of extra ballast may cause the vessel to operate in an unsafe condition, especially when adding additional persons on board. Also addition of non factory equipment may void warranties of affected equipment. So please use your head. Attached(hopefully) are pics of the setup. 750 fly high rear, 350 sumo port, 250 sumo starboard. You can see the drain/fill is split and the overflows are combined. I also linked two other ports directly with a hose, but I'm thinking this was unnecessary. The first port pic is with the surf system, evenly weighted and the other is listed, no surf system with just a little counterweight. Goofy pics are evenly weighted except for just a few lead bags and using the surf system of course. I don't think the pics tell the true story of the size of the goofy wave. I plan to hide the plumbing but left it down so you could see. It actually worked awesome, filling and draining. A pretty good success I think.

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RhuntIII    557

"Please note...."

 

Hey thanks for the disclaimer as we would all be lost with out it.

 

Good work on the mods BTW.

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"Please note...."

 

Hey thanks for the disclaimer as we would all be lost with out it.

 

Good work on the mods BTW.

 

Haha, thanks. I felt I should throw that in there for the dealership's sake. Plus Fineline get's to put warnings all over their stuff. I think my boat has every warning sticker made for the marine environment on it. Some don't even apply to my boat. lol

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DjOM21    59

I am curious what the fill time is on those fat sacs with this piggy back set up.

 

Also, that wave looks quite nice on both sides - what do you figure the surf able pocket is on dialed 238 like this?

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Fill time is not bad. Usually done by the time we are done pulling out boards and ropes. 7-8 minutes maybe? Which seems quicker than the pumps are rated for but we've never been waiting on them. Several people have commented on the quick fill time.

 

Do you mean the surf able pocket in terms of length? 10 feet, 15 feet? It's tough to judge, but I can get really far back to the point my legs are where it is curling over. You have to really screw up a trick bad to not be able to recover. The wave is super steep like nothing anyone has ridden before. If I can get a little more nose weight it may lengthen out even more. But it def puts smiles on people's faces.

 

 

I am curious what the fill time is on those fat sacs with this piggy back set up.

 

Also, that wave looks quite nice on both sides - what do you figure the surf able pocket is on dialed 238 like this?

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DjOM21    59

Fill time is not bad. Usually done by the time we are done pulling out boards and ropes. 7-8 minutes maybe? Which seems quicker than the pumps are rated for but we've never been waiting on them. Several people have commented on the quick fill time.

 

Do you mean the surf able pocket in terms of length? 10 feet, 15 feet? It's tough to judge, but I can get really far back to the point my legs are where it is curling over. You have to really screw up a trick bad to not be able to recover. The wave is super steep like nothing anyone has ridden before. If I can get a little more nose weight it may lengthen out even more. But it def puts smiles on people's faces.

 

 

 

Got it. Thanks for the input.

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luluzer    53

Are you using any weight in your bow? Also, i see where you say "evenly weighted" for the pics with the system, how well does it switch sides on the fly (for example my 2012 v226 with aftermarket system required 50% trim on the port side and took a 30 seconds or so to clean up when switched on the fly)? Curious how quickly you are able to switch sides and get a clean wave while riding?

 

Thanks for sharing the sic setup

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Are you using any weight in your bow? Also, i see where you say "evenly weighted" for the pics with the system, how well does it switch sides on the fly (for example my 2012 v226 with aftermarket system required 50% trim on the port side and took a 30 seconds or so to clean up when switched on the fly)? Curious how quickly you are able to switch sides and get a clean wave while riding?

 

Thanks for sharing the sic setup

 

The bow bag and the center tank are full. Everything is full. LOL. Biasing the people weight a little toward the side you are surfing on will help, but it's not required.

 

I've never tried to switch it on the fly..well maybe once. I would think it would clean up right away once you get the tab down...which takes just a few seconds. Trick is pressing the right combo of buttons, which I did not. I've only tried to make a wave on the goofy side twice. It seems tougher to clean up than the port side.

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dcaggiano    1

Does changing out the ballast system like this effect your wakeboard set up? I'm assuming not since you would probably not need to fill the mid boat bags only the quickfill fill and or the rear PNP, is that right!?

 

Also since your sum port and sumo starboard are 100bs off do use 100lbs. of bags on the seats to make up the difference or do the port surfers just get a nicer wave?! :)

 

Thanks for your help! -David

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Does changing out the ballast system like this effect your wakeboard set up? I'm assuming not since you would probably not need to fill the mid boat bags only the quickfill fill and or the rear PNP, is that right!?

 

Also since your sum port and sumo starboard are 100bs off do use 100lbs. of bags on the seats to make up the difference or do the port surfers just get a nicer wave?! :)

 

Thanks for your help! -David

 

Only wakeboarded a couple times since I got a shiny new ACL, so can't comment too well, but I did fill them all up for wakeboarding before and it was pretty wicked.

 

More port weight balances out the drivers weight on the starboard. It's best to still put some lead in the back most port seat or have the fattest guy sit back there. Goofy wave is a little more mystery to me, I've only had one of those wacky folks out with me and the boat seemed to do better totally even, though still was harder to clean that up. I heard the new stinger plate helps, but I'll find out in the next couple weeks.

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DjOM21    59

Hey @ Race City Marine what you planning on running for weight in your 2017 S238.

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Hey @ Race City Marine what you planning on running for weight in your 2017 S238.

 

Well since there was more room with the 750's full, I was thinking about something slightly bigger. Sumo makes a 850 and a 1000. However the 850 sumo is listed as the same size as the fly high 750....50X20X20, so I'm not sure if there is a real difference. So I will probably go with the 1000's, hoping I don't run into engine divider issues.

 

Side sacs will stay the same although I may add another on the port side in the spirit of being excessive. I have a couple other ideas to stash weight and also a quicksurf tweak that I may try. I'll have the boat very soon so I can get a jump on this year.

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DjOM21    59

Well if my deal on the 238 gets done I plan on Sumo 1000 too then around 800 lbs of lead to stash about. I want maintain storage under my benches. Plus I am shameless and will fill a bag for the seat if I have to...,But it sounds like you will be on the water sooner, so if you could get it all figured out and report back that would be great.

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Cwazy1    91

when I asked WM about sumo vs flyhigh they said that whichever one is a higher weight is measured when full, versus whichever one is the lower weight is measured seam to seam.

 

 

Well since there was more room with the 750's full, I was thinking about something slightly bigger. Sumo makes a 850 and a 1000. However the 850 sumo is listed as the same size as the fly high 750....50X20X20, so I'm not sure if there is a real difference. So I will probably go with the 1000's, hoping I don't run into engine divider issues.

 

Side sacs will stay the same although I may add another on the port side in the spirit of being excessive. I have a couple other ideas to stash weight and also a quicksurf tweak that I may try. I'll have the boat very soon so I can get a jump on this year.

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when I asked WM about sumo vs flyhigh they said that whichever one is a higher weight is measured when full, versus whichever one is the lower weight is measured seam to seam.

 

 

So if I'm reading you correctly, they are saying the bags are essentially the same?

 

Well if my deal on the 238 gets done I plan on Sumo 1000 too then around 800 lbs of lead to stash about. I want maintain storage under my benches. Plus I am shameless and will fill a bag for the seat if I have to...,But it sounds like you will be on the water sooner, so if you could get it all figured out and report back that would be great.

 

Yes sir, I'll get that report to you.

 

I think you have the weight covered. Strangely enough I think I like having less storage, forces me into better organization and I have to tell people to move a lot less because most things are in one spot. Plus I don't bring a lot of crap I don't need. No room for a tube ;)

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Cwazy1    91

no, no.

 

So here:

 

Both the 850 sumo and 750 fly bags are listed as 50x20x20.

 

The reason for this is that the sumo is measured at the seams, and the flyhigh is measured at the widest point when full. The sumo when full will be more like 51x22x22 because it bulges out at the center of each panel.

 

Make sense?

 

 

So if I'm reading you correctly, they are saying the bags are essentially the same?

 

 

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no, no.

 

So here:

 

Both the 850 sumo and 750 fly bags are listed as 50x20x20.

 

The reason for this is that the sumo is measured at the seams, and the flyhigh is measured at the widest point when full. The sumo when full will be more like 51x22x22 because it bulges out at the center of each panel.

 

Make sense?

 

 

So the sumo will hold more water? If I get it wrong this time I'm giving up!

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Cwazy1    91

bingo!

 

 

So the sumo will hold more water? If I get it wrong this time I'm giving up!

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DjOM21    59

 

So if I'm reading you correctly, they are saying the bags are essentially the same?

 

 

Yes sir, I'll get that report to you.

 

I think you have the weight covered. Strangely enough I think I like having less storage, forces me into better organization and I have to tell people to move a lot less because most things are in one spot. Plus I don't bring a lot of crap I don't need. No room for a tube ;)

 

Thanks man - I am curious how this new stinger plate will effect the wave, I have heard mixed opinions so I guess we will see.

 

With regards to storage, I need it because I have kids - floaties, umbrellas, shovels, fishing rods etc - but I hear ya on the tube thing, although I may cave a little this year and give the kids a few more pulls to help break down their will, then hand them a scamp and sell that damn tube. Still refining the motto of Surf, Swim or Sit on my boat - but its only been a year.

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MFaso    56

 

Thanks man - I am curious how this new stinger plate will effect the wave, I have heard mixed opinions so I guess we will see.

 

With regards to storage, I need it because I have kids - floaties, umbrellas, shovels, fishing rods etc - but I hear ya on the tube thing, although I may cave a little this year and give the kids a few more pulls to help break down their will, then hand them a scamp and sell that damn tube. Still refining the motto of Surf, Swim or Sit on my boat - but its only been a year.

 

My 2017 S238 should be here soon, although it's winter... I have kids and all that fun stuff you mentioned too so space is something I NEED. I'll let you know how things work out for me over the summer between space needed and wave with the stinger plate. Also, I think it depends how many people you are usually out with. We almost always have another family on the boat and sometimes my friends who are bigger than me.

 

I'll know more once the season starts but I'll be comparing the stock wave with just my family to the stock wave with my family and others to see how it rides and determining how much space I'm willing to give up based on all that...

 

Also, I hate the tube! I hate it when it's blown up, and I hate taking 25 minutes to blow the darn thing up. It takes up too much space. My kids enjoy it more when we are parked because they jump from the boat to the tube to the water over and over and over...lol

 

Mike

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Nolance    18

How much would it cost to upgrade to the new stinger plate? I have the double edged sword on my 16' 226.

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NW Boat Sports    234

How much would it cost to upgrade to the new stinger plate? I have the double edged sword on my 16' 226.

 

Not needed for 2016, but contact your dealer if you are interested.

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