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Idaho Mike    29

My 2009 Enzo SV240 recently had its brackets break while surfing. We undid the pins, pulled it up and set it on the engine compartment, and continued to surf. No biggie - it was sort of cool to see how the water comes off the hull and makes a wave. I didn't really understand the mechanics of what was happening when a surf wave is made until I saw what goes on immediately underneath the swim platform. Pretty cool.

 

Anyway, in trying to figure out a way to fix my broken brackets, I looked into welding it, and also buying a replacement. Turns out the broken swim platform issue is not a new one for Centurion (or Fineline in general, actually). There's a guy who made all of the Fineline brackets who I got to talk to about the issue (he's here: http://www.alloymarine.com/indexII/swimdeck.htm). He told me that when they originally designed the brackets they were for short teak decks and were made before surfing came into vogue. However, swim decks got bigger and started getting sunk for surfing, and it took a long time for them to figure out they needed to be beefed up. The guy from alloymarine presents his proposed solution (a beefier bracket and transom bracket connection) to Fineline's guy, and the guy at Fineline says nope, and gives him his design. So they make more boats with crappy brackets. They start breaking, people start calling Centurion, and Centurion starts replacing them, but meanwhile continues ordering brackets from the guy at alloymarine for their boats. They order a bunch on credit, and then stiff the guy at alloymarine and blame his breaking brackets. There is some sort of settlement and the guy at alloymarine doesn't get paid everything he feels entitled to. He said Fineline/Centurion also got some insurance money, and that they are supposed to be fixing the brackets themselves. However, when I called them they told me to call alloymarine!?

 

If this is true, I'm super pissed. So they sell boats with a known defect, take a pound of flesh from the guy who made them to Fineline's spec's, take some insurance payment, and then don't take responsibility when I call about needing a replacement bracket? The replacement brackets from alloymarine required that I pay money for the transom mount, and the new brackets, to the tune of about $400 to replace both brackets.

 

So I took them to the "weldery" and got them fixed for $150 (including my tip to them for fixing right away, otherwise probably would have cost me $100 or so)

 

I would also note that when the swim deck broke I had noticed that it seemed unstable. When I looked at the weld it seemed fine, but it had actually broken but when out of the water it settled tight so nothing looked wrong. The welder guy pointed out that it had not broken from having too much weight place on it (downward pressure), but had actually been forced up in order to accomplish the break, which makes sense. So it's the downward force of the boat that pushes up on the swim deck and pulls up on the weld, effectively eliminating the beneficial strength of the bracket structure and putting all of the force on the welds' tying into the bracket structure.

 

So now I have super beefy welds!! Any bets on how long they last? From the sound of it, people who've just welded them haven't had a lot of success, but the welder who did this work felt pretty confident that the weld was not going to be where they broke, if they broke again...

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDdW7w_5nYYUXdIeXkxaEVEcWM/view?usp=sharing

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h20king    795

Next time it will just tear the metal away from the weld in the heat affected zone. Fineline has stainless replacement brackets next time it breaks.

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WakeDoc    488

Is it this style bracket that broke?

 

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Jake707    171

Did you notice any difference in the wake with the deck off? Ive thought about removing my Teak deck to see if it helped or hindered the wake but haven't got to it yet.

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DarksideR    1,680

Just wow.

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Stainless steel is the only thing platform brackets should be made of. jake I added 1" of height to mine and it no longer hits the wave when loaded heavy. I didn't realize mine was striking the wave until it broke off and i surfed passed it. I just never noticed but moving it up 1" in my case helped so much.

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Idaho Mike    29

Did you notice any difference in the wake with the deck off? Ive thought about removing my Teak deck to see if it helped or hindered the wake but haven't got to it yet.

 

My deck hits a small piece of the wave, but it doesn't affect the shape, and there's really not much disturbance on the face.

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DarksideR    1,680

It has been tested and the platform slightly dragging in the wave has little to no effect.

 

A very handy Crew member a few years ago installed Lenco actuators on his platform to be able to angle it up and down and found no difference to the wave.

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Cdifranco    464

It has been tested and the platform slightly dragging in the wave has little to no effect.

 

A very handy Crew member a few years ago installed Lenco actuators on his platform to be able to angle it up and down and found no difference to the wave.

If I really really slam my boat the corner of the platform does affect my wave.. It gives a double lip only on the goofy side (unfortunately the only side we care about haha)

 

Not nearly enough to dabble with lencos and stuff though.

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Dandy    43

Some of the guys over on the Moomba forum have been making smaller swim decks out of 3/4 and 1" HDPE and adding SeaDek or similar material on top with good success.

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CO Surfer    289

Must suck to own a Moomba!

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Icemanftr    8
Must suck to own a Moomba!

 

Oem on mine. Only thing getting sucked is beer and the endless wave evenly weighted.

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Cdifranco    464

A moomba sank on my lake Friday night. Some 15 year old kid in a 24' four winns trucked through the rear of him at 10pm at night.

 

Kids these days

 

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Icemanftr    8
A moomba sank on my lake Friday night. Some 15 year old kid in a 24' four winns trucked through the rear of him at 10pm at night.

 

Kids these days

 

 

Damn!!! We had a big boat accident on Lake CDA last week. 5 passengers in Mastercraft X30 I believe hit an 89 Formula that was stationary and all three passengers on Formula flew in water and drowned. I guess I will never understand how this pooh happens.

 

http://www.khq.com/story/32695242/additional-details-released-on-deadly-coeur-dalene-lake-boat-collision

 

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Just not watching what's going on. Terrible.

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Chuckw    1

Is it this style bracket that broke?

 

So, went out to my 2009 sv240 this morning (on a buoy), and the swim platform was missing. Found it a hundred yards down the beach with the brackets still attached. The holes in the brackets that the pins go through are all stretched out and the pins were broken-off. Not sure if I can fix the brackets . . . it will take cutting off the old tabs where the holes are and welding on new tabs with the holes in the exact right location.

 

Anyone know where I can get new stainless brackets like those posted above, and how much they cost??? Stainless definitely seems like the way to go. Given the afternoon pounding my boat takes on Lake Tahoe, it's either stainless or something like Sporty's adjustable height brackets.

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CO Surfer    289

Oem on mine. Only thing getting sucked is beer and the endless wave evenly weighted.

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Looks good Iceman. Just having a little bit of good natured ribbing on the Centurion forum!

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h20king    795

Oem on mine. Only thing getting sucked is beer and the endless wave evenly weighted.

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do you have a pic of the wave ??
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Icemanftr    8
Oem on mine. Only thing getting sucked is beer and the endless wave evenly weighted.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkdo you have a pic of the wave ??

 

Goofy about 2300# 5 small kids and driver wake plate down for more skin style wake. Could sack out, but not needed unless I really wanna be 25+ back for show.

 

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Regular 2300# 5 small kids and driver

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Idaho Mike    29

Damn!!! We had a big boat accident on Lake CDA last week. 5 passengers in Mastercraft X30 I believe hit an 89 Formula that was stationary and all three passengers on Formula flew in water and drowned. I guess I will never understand how this pooh happens. http://www.khq.com/story/32695242/additional-details-released-on-deadly-coeur-dalene-lake-boat-collision 868931df551d98495143219367098cf8.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Iceman - I'm from CDA too. :-)

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jayz-23    12

How much are a set of the latest platform brackets selling for these days?

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nailem    29

My OEM brackets broke on my 05' enzo a few weeks ago. I took the bracketstage to a local welder and he repaired and added a gusset for $20. I did have a teak platform at the time but made a new one out of HDPE while everything was off.

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super1990    18

Where can you order the newer style brackets ? Cost ?

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