Not going to rant - at least not much, but want to make sure that I am right with my decision.

I am on Atlanta's Wakeboard forum also and I got an PM from a guy that wanted to come out and said he had food, gas, etc... Well the first time he came out, he called and wanted to know what to bring. I said I can take care of everything if he could stop at McDonalds and get a few of those $1.00 cheeseburgers for everyone and whatever you want to drink. We had 4 other people on the boat and he would made 5. So I figure 8 burgers would be good. ($8.00) Well he shows up bringing someone else that he did not mention and his kid that he did not mention. I was a little set off by this, but WTF, it's all good.

So as we are head out and he passes the bag. Well the ding ding only got 5 burgers and then they ate 3 of them leaving 2 for the 4 other people on the boat. I ask did they ran out of buns at MD joking like, but pissed off in my mind, he said that he it was just for me. Now this guy has been off with others and knows the deal I am sure of. Well we stopped and got food at a Marina for everyone else and then he said "Where's the beer" I was pissed even more and and just so happens that my buddy called me and I acted like I had to go home, emergency. Head back to the dock, he did not ride, he did not wipe down, just got in his vehicle and left. We loaded up and we went to another lake - without him and his strangers.

So this weekend he calls and I figured let by gones be by gones and let him come again. He asked what I needed and I said Gas and Drinks. That Mother F---ker shows up at the dock with his kid and NOTHING!!! Brings a wake skate and board. After I was heading away from the dock, my wife won out and I had to pick him up, gets on first out of his mouth was "Where's the drinks?" I said YOU were suppose to bring them. He stated, my bad, and reached in my cooler to grab a beer, and I slammed the lid on his hand and said they are for my crew only. Then his kid takes the bag of chips away from my son and started eating them. I told his kid they are for my son and not his and to give them back, well as he was giving them back to my son he turned them upside down and dumped them on the floor. GOD I WAS PISSED and about to go Medieval on his @$$. I tell the kid to pick them all up and that we are not moving until then. My wife sees that I am about to go postal and gets me in the water and between her and my wifes girlfriend they calm me down. Get in, surf some and then head head to the cove where the band is around 9:00 PM to see the fireworks and such. By this time the girls are out of beer and this Punk wants me to go and buy beer. I told him to take his Fkng @$$ and go buy it him self. He said he left his ID and wallet in the car. So sorry for you! So while out on the water he is talking to some guy and managed to talk him out of a bottle of Vodka and started drinking it straight. His kid was asking for something to eat and I asked him when he ate last. The kid, bless his heart, said he hasn't eaten anything all day, except a breakfast bar that AM. I felt sorry for the kid since he had a screwed up parent that he didn't deserve and I went and bought the kid some food. His dad said give me some and I had it by then. I could not stop myself and let this moron have it! Then the moron turns around and cuses at the kid and said to the kid these exact words "I wished you were dead and I never want to be around you again" Guys, I lost every bit of self control I had and knock the living pooh out of him right square in the face. MY wife calls DNR, he comes around about 10 minutes later (I didn't know I hit him that hard) and he was on the beach and the DNR came up wanted to know what happened, I told them I hit him and they were about to arrest me until my crew and some others that were standing around heard what he said and they called some other DNR guys over. I explained everything and even told them I would go with them if they needed me to and I admited to what I did. The guy that I hit said he was not going to press charges if I would just get him back to his truck. DNR said they would take him back, got my name and number and then pulled me and my wife to the side and asked what was going on. We explained and he said "off the record" I would have done the same thing. Made me feel better, but now I feel sorry for the kid.

So he is gone, we are watching the fireworks and everyone is saying I did the right thing. Really I didn't. I should not have let me emotions get the better of me. But to tell a child, that they wished they were dead? What a world we live in.

So he is Black Listed.

Crazy ...WTF is wrong with people?

First of all I can't believe you let him on your boat more than once.

Secondly, I don't think you did anything wrong and the guy probly deserved more than you gave him.......poor kid.

Colombian, Hats off to you bro! Kids should never have to feel second best or they are a burden to those around them. You did fine. That punk hopefully got a "wake up" call to his actions.

When word gets around about him in your forum, he won't be going out anymore. His days are numbered and rightfully so. Sorry about your dealings with him, I have had really good luck with the guys on "Northern Utah" on WW. Top notch friends with boating etiquette that you want

I say you did the right thing, but I probaly wouldnt have let him come back out with us at all, I just started posting on a local wake forum and i've had 2 random guys come out with us, this weenend one brought his girl friend but asked me if it was alright, of course women always ride for free, and the other guy was cool to. Gave me more than enough for gas and i'll invite them both out every weekend we go out.

Thanks guys, I really do feel bad for what I did. But I really feel sorry for his kid. I am like the rest of you, I think, in that I want everyone to have a good time no matter what. Even the kids. I posted on the other forum the exact same message here, and I got 3 PM's that said he was a moocher and they have banded him too. One guy went as far as telling him he sold his boat, which actually he didn't. But he kept being annoying the whole day, when I see a boat and say nice set up he always had a friend that had the same set up. I went as far as saying that I seen a boat the other day where the factory mounted the tower backwards and he said yeah, that's my buddy's boat and he ordered it like that. But I was making the story up just to see what he would say. What a liar!

Sorry to say he should have been "Black Listed" after the first trip. I agree you should of had more self control but, honestly by then I most likely would have given him more than a poke in the face. The last year or so we have been rolling wth a much smaller crew, got tired of baby sitting. Best thing is to meet up with other boat owners, since they own they usually have as much respect for your gear as you do. Really sucks, I thought I had a bad weekend.

Good job Dave. I would have done the same thing. Folks like that need to be knocked in the face a few times to get the point through. And you're right, it is a screwed up world we live in...Especially when folks have the nerve to EVER say that to their own kid. It takes a selfish SOB to treat their kid that way. I'm just glad you got another dead-beat off the streets. And sorry to hear about your crappy 2 days. On the bright-side, you won't have to worry about that butthead showing up or calling again, right?

You are right PO, he will never step foot in my boat again. My wife said that she hopes she never see's him in her life or she will go Latin on his arse.

HAHAHA! He already got a piece of you....I definitely don't think he wants a piece of the ball & chain...Especially if she's Latin. How does the old saying go...... "Hell hath no fury like the wrath of a woman scorned". LOL!

You are a better man than me for taking him out the 1st and 2nd time. Thats a nice southern gentleman for you, but always remember about strays and hitchhikers. Forget about it and don't feel bad. The sad thing is that he is treating and teaching his son like that. Too bad the son can't hang around you and you teach him some your good qualities.

good for you, the kid really got the short end of the stick

Dude, there is no way you should have hit him. Its not his fault hes got a kid. JUST JOKING. DONT FREAK OUT ON ME. Just wish I could have seen the hit. Unfortunatly Im sure his son did. Hope the guy didnt take it out on his son later.

I have to agree with Doc. Stick with freinds who have boats and no worries.

This post has been edited by MANDC: Jul 26 2010, 05:05 PM

You only hit him once!!? ??!!?? j/k poor kid...

smaller well known crews are nice.. when some jagaloon comes around, they just ruin it for everyone else...

We have been riding with a smaller crew lately too. I don't have kids ad really got tired of babysitting and doing what I was told (on MY boat no less). Met some really cool people this weekend at the Championships. Too bad we all live so far apart.

Hitting the guy?...Maybe not in your best interest, but I can't say I would have done it different. It's tough with kids though cause they pick up on everything, good and bad. And unfortunately not just from their parents. I feel for ya man and hope the next person you welcome into your boat and world respects you and your crew, and realizes they are the guest....and swimming back to the dock really sucks.

Good on you... I would have done the same thing. I would also take it one step further. I'm a mandated reporter for CPS (Child Protective Services)... It's a fine line but verbal abuse for a child is one of the worst things in the world. It causes low self esteem resulting in socially unacceptable behavior ie pouring the chips out. CPS would make him take anger management classes at least or they would remove the child. He is definitely not worthy of the blessing of having a child if he wishes him dead.

I'm glad you did something... It's amazing how many people will just sit back and watch/do nothing. If I was anywhere around the area I would have been right there with you.

I would have told the kid he could eat all the bits of chips on the floor.

Good job man! I just hope the kid doesn't turn out be like his old man - we don't need any more people like that.

UPDATE: I man up and called the guy and apologized for my actions. Then I explained to him what it takes to be a good boat buddy. Then I also explained to him what it takes to be a good father. Lucky the kid did not see what I did and even though it felt right at the moment, I knew it was not good judgement. But I learn from my mistakes. He understood and said that this was not the first time it has happened. (okay, so if it is not the first time, then maybe get the hint???) He said it was all good and I hung up the phone.

But I still feel sorry for the kid and so does my wife. She heard other things that I did not hear he was saying to him. And then he mentioned that to another guy that they should come out one weekend with out kids to have a better time, because having a kid can drag you down. That upset my wife and she did not tell me know what I might have done - aka poor judgement. The kid heard what his dad said and then stated "You do not like coming to the lake with me and spending time with me?" My wife said it upset her so much she was about to cry and had to get away. Now I know why she went to the beach area.

If anyone knows what I can do or who to call to help out this kid, please tell me. My heart is really hurting for this child and it is not right to have a low down SOB of a dad like that. Not trying to be david downer, but I am serious about helping this kid out.

When a child is involved you need to really tread lightly and stay out of it. At most I would write a letter letting the kid know it didn't have anything to do with them, include some movie tickets, and let him know he can talk to his teachers and such if he needs to. His father will read the letter so take that into consideration that it may never reach the kid.

You need to move on.

Black list should have happened after the first time. Take a year off from inviting strangers and enjoy your reliable crew.

YOu do have to tread lightly with kids. But a little can also go a long way. Depending on how egreious the guy's behavior was, you can report him. I am a mandated reporter so I know what it is like to see things like that and have to act. If you don't think it rose to that level you can also offer to mentor the kid or find him a mentor. A positive male role model outside his loser father may go a long way in a young kids life. There are numerous mentoring agencies nationally and locally that can help.

Good luck!